Pro Queen / anti M&H

Yes Chestnut, you’re right, all we can do is form an idea based on what we see and hear, but there is so much more that we don’t know about all the people involved that we aren’t in a position to judge. And I don’t think we should underestimate the influence of the various media in any given controversy.

I have formed an opinion of the characters involved, like most other people, but I don’t know the truth.

StarDreamer, great posts. You missed out that his wife would have to give up making her own decisions, be unable to have the final say on her child's name, etc.

Germanshepherdsmum

Who was that addressed to?

easybee said I don't think MM intended to change the royal family. I believe she saw it as a platform for self-promotion, and had no understanding of the restrictions and conventions which apply to its members. She saw it as gagging, so used her royal connection to promote herself in America, whilst playing the victim.
I just wondered if women who consider someone is gagging them can be accused of playing the victim. Isn't that how abuse always works? Its a general question to everyone

Sorry, I get it now. Meghan joined the RF of her own free will, I’m sure seeing it as some kind of prize, and either didn’t realise she could no longer say what she wished in public or, more likely, thought she would change that. She has played the victim ever since she failed to get her own way.

An abused Megan, that is surely a winner in the ‘defence of Megan’

Germanshepherdsmum

Sorry, I get it now. Meghan joined the RF of her own free will, I’m sure seeing it as some kind of prize, and either didn’t realise she could no longer say what she wished in public or, more likely, thought she would change that. She has played the victim ever since she failed to get her own way.

Most women marry men of "their own free will" usually because they fall in love with them. If they are subsequently made to do things they don't want to, to behave in ways that upset them and to change their behaviour to please others isn't that the very nature of abuse? No matter who is responsible. As for not getting her own way that's been used as an excuse to control women throughout history. Never her way always his way! I'm amazed any woman in the 21st century would see things in such an old fashioned patriarchal way

Meghan wasn't made to do things she didn't want to; she chose to leave the country. The Queen also declined to do things she didn't want to, which was to accept terms and conditions laid out by family members who wanted to pick and choose their duties.
Nothing to do with patriarchal abuse.

Why in the 21st century should a woman or man have to be subservient to the diktats of their family or that of their spouse whoever they might be? This isn’t the Middle Ages fgs. H and M have got so much flak for not toeing the royal line. Good on them for choosing their own path.

She's a manipulative and scheming woman. I don't see things in an old fashioned patriarchal way, I see them for what they are. Anyone think she married Harry for his stunning good looks?

The Queen is wise, keep your friends close and your enimies closer still.

*enemies

Anyone think she married Harry for his stunning good looks?

Clearly for his intellect GSM

Why in the 21st century should a woman or man have to be subservient to the diktats of their family or that of their spouse whoever they might be?

Meghan went out of her way to call the RF "The Firm" to Oprah. Well, when you join a firm, you have to adapt to the way they run things, especially when you're low in the pecking order.

vegansrock

Why in the 21st century should a woman or man have to be subservient to the diktats of their family or that of their spouse whoever they might be? This isn’t the Middle Ages fgs. H and M have got so much flak for not toeing the royal line. Good on them for choosing their own path.

Their own path includes selling their souls to Netflix for millions and using their Royal titles to do so. If they want to go their own way they should give up their Royal titles instead of using them for monetary gain.

Wow no wonder some men still think abuse is OK after all if it's good enough for the RF why not for everyone?

If you join a Firm you have employment rights and can choose to challenge working practices you find unacceptable. Firms also have an obligation to permit you to change your hours to fit in with parental duties.

Chestnut

vegansrock

Why in the 21st century should a woman or man have to be subservient to the diktats of their family or that of their spouse whoever they might be? This isn’t the Middle Ages fgs. H and M have got so much flak for not toeing the royal line. Good on them for choosing their own path.

Their own path includes selling their souls to Netflix for millions and using their Royal titles to do so. If they want to go their own way they should give up their Royal titles instead of using them for monetary gain.

Well at least they aren't sponging off the taxpayer like the rest of them.

Well at least they aren't sponging off the taxpayer like the rest of them

Without the rest of them and the taxpayer they would be nonentities.

Without the RF and their titles nobody would be interested. So they are sponging off their family. Or his family.

Zoejory

*Well at least they aren't sponging off the taxpayer like the rest of them*

Without the rest of them and the taxpayer they would be nonentities.

Without the RF and their titles nobody would be interested. So they are sponging off their family. Or his family.

You seem to have forgotten that MM was not only a successful and well paid actor, she had an impressive record of activism and involvement in women's rights and charity work.
It's small islandism- if she's not from here she can't have done anything

Whatever Meghan is like or not like, all this would be avoided if we lived in a democratic republic.

True Maddyone

I haven't really followed the Meghan and Harry soap opera, and didn't watch the Oprah interview.

But if, as alleged, the Queen wants them to appear at her Jubilee, then as a grandmother and great grandmother, surely people can understand that? Families have black sheep, they don't always cut them off completely. Especially if there are children involved.

All I know for sure is that H&M will be damned if they do turn up, and damned if they don't. And the media will have a field day attempting to follow their every move if they do attend... and then the editorial staff will write columns about how they are courting publicity...

And the only other thing I know for sure is that I only know what the media tells me it thinks it knows.

If those in the 'print' feel so strongly about H&M courting publicity - why don't they just stop writing about the couple? Then all those that say they are sick of hearing / reading about them, won't have to hear or read about them.

I honestly do not understand why so many people feel the need to criticise Harry and Meghan so much. They may not be perfect but which of us is?

nadateturbe

I honestly do not understand why so many people feel the need to criticise Harry and Meghan so much. They may not be perfect but which of us is?

How long have you got? This has been debated ad nauseam on these threads. Lecturing us from their gilded mansion on saving the planet while they fly private jets to baby showers for a start. Trading financially off their Royal titles whilst throwing the family that gave them those titles under a bus etc. etc.

To those who think we can't know anything, you're wrong. We can. A bit.

I'm sure loads of rubbish has been written about them. Never believe a word in the press. Etc etc. I agree

However, if you've seen the Oprah interview you can safely state as fact, certain things. Because it's straight out of the horse's mouth.

Up to 17 untruths were said in that interview. As they did keep saying they wanted their truth to be told. Fair enough. However a lot of what was said was not actual truth.

Poor old Justin Welby was almost criminalised. Meghan insisted that her and Harry were married in their garden. They weren't. It was a pointless fib. Untruth. Lie. But such a ridiculous one as well. Welby had to make a statement.

So watch the interview, hear for yourselves and know that, for once, we're hearing what they are actually saying.

So they’ve “used their royal titles” isn’t that what at all the RF do throughout the ages ? People who are born into it have no choice if they get given some made up title then that’s theirs whatever they do in life. You can say no one would be interested in them if they didn’t have titles but without a title Harry would still be son of a potential monarch and gossip columns and gransnet would still talk about them and analyse their every move and photo. If Netflix or Disney want to pay them money and people watch their programmes then that’s them earning a living. The RF is just a big soap opera for the masses.as proven here with people claiming to know their thoughts, motives , feelings based on nothing but what they read in the papers or see on tv.