Speaking the truth about brexit

Also the fact that we are an island, separate from the rest of Europe. More independent.

I'm sure there are 27 countries in Europe which consider themselves to be independent but which very much appreciate the benefit of trading in frictionless single market.

Ireland is separate from the rest of Europe, but is happy to be in the EU.

British exceptionalism is a delusion.

The truth of "We managed during the War" is that we managed during the War because we were in an alliance with dozens of other countries.

just joined the thread.
There's a section of British ( English?) people who resented the controls of the EU. And felt the French and German influence was too strong. "We managed during the War".
Also the fact that we are an island, separate from the rest of Europe. More independent.

Callistemon21

^Lots of people don't have the time or the inclination to go into these matters in depth^

I do know several people who did go into it in great depth and voted to leave.
We may not agree but I would not disparage them or fall out with them.

They would have had to dig really deep to find solid benefits for leaving, when they didn’t find any they invented them.

Of course.

I would.

Lots of people don't have the time or the inclination to go into these matters in depth

I do know several people who did go into it in great depth and voted to leave.
We may not agree but I would not disparage them or fall out with them.

volver
Sorry garnet25, but I don't find that to be much of an excuse. If people don't have the time or inclination to find out the truth about the biggest and most irreversible political choice they'll ever have to make, then they shouldn't be voting.

The problem is that they think they have!!

garnet25

volver First let me say that I voted to stay in the EU as I have always believed in it being the correct path for the UK.

However, I really can't blame all the people who voted to leave so many of them were misled by the press, by the Brexit campaigner lies and by social media. Lots of people don't have the time or the inclination to go into these matters in depth.

Sorry garnet25, but I don't find that to be much of an excuse. If people don't have the time or inclination to find out the truth about the biggest and most irreversible political choice they'll ever have to make, then they shouldn't be voting.

volver First let me say that I voted to stay in the EU as I have always believed in it being the correct path for the UK.

However, I really can't blame all the people who voted to leave so many of them were misled by the press, by the Brexit campaigner lies and by social media. Lots of people don't have the time or the inclination to go into these matters in depth.

One day in the not so distant future there will be yet another European war and Britain will be isolated ,cosying up to its American friends

Who can predict what will happen?
I don't have a crystal ball but I do know Australians are requesting more of an American presence in Australia.

nanna8

From afar, every single person I know thought it was a bad decision to leave and wondered what you were thinking as a nation to do this. It has been even worse than we thought. One day in the not so distant future there will be yet another European war and Britain will be isolated ,cosying up to its American friends.

I agree but it was done, if badly.

There's no point in continuing anger over something we can't change as it destroys the equilibrium of the angry person.

Finding a positive solution and forming a different kind of union in the future if possible, trying to find positives.

(Or declaring the last referendum invalid)

lemsip

' I don't think it's for anybody to post that they think a thread has run its course. '
What?

I think this thread has been done to death and.....run it's course!

Oh, no, I've only just arrived ?

Jackiest

They voted to remain in the UK when the UK was part of the EU. Now that the UK is no longer part of the EU they may think differently.

I realise that, as I said. I know what changed.

But I was pointing out that the Scots were happy to stay in the UK, which apparently is the union that hasn't worked in their interests, just two years previously.

Does anyone still have the booklet that was sent to every household before the referendum? It set out the reasons for staying in the EU and the consequences of leaving.

That doesn't mean we don't try to find the best solution right now, but I will never stop blaming people who voted for this, whatever self-justifying excuses they come up with. It was the wrong thing to do

What about those who couldn't be bothered to vote on such an important issue?
Personally, I don't know any but nearly 13 million voters did not bother to turn up.
I still feel annoyed with them.

Shouldn't they be the ones who should incur your wrath rather than people who did think long and hard before they placed their X.

Add the fact that it was really too close to call and should have had a higher margin before it was accepted as a valid result.

They voted to remain in the UK when the UK was part of the EU. Now that the UK is no longer part of the EU they may think differently.

From afar, every single person I know thought it was a bad decision to leave and wondered what you were thinking as a nation to do this. It has been even worse than we thought. One day in the not so distant future there will be yet another European war and Britain will be isolated ,cosying up to its American friends.

' I don't think it's for anybody to post that they think a thread has run its course. '
What?

I think this thread has been done to death and.....run it's course!

MaizieD

*I find it ironic that you are angry with those who voted to leave the EU, yet you are vociferously for Scotland leaving the Union?*
Some might think that is illogical.

I find it perfectly logical that the Scots, having been dragged out of the EU against their will, find it attractive to leave the union that hasn't worked in their interests to join a union that does...

I find it perfectly logical that the Scots, having been dragged out of the EU against their will, find it attractive to leave the union that hasn't worked in their interests to join a union that does...

I follow the logic that the majority, not all, of Scots voted to remain in the EU and would like to rejoin that union because circumstances have changed since then.

However, by the same logic the majority of Scots must have been happy with a union which you state did not work in their interests because they voted to remain in the United Kindgom two years earlier. Presumably the majority, with a high turnout, was happy enough to remain part of the UK so it cannot have been seen as not working in their interests in 2014.

I said why I thought it had run its course volver.

I think that when a thread comes down to personal attacks rather evidence about the thread topic, it has probably run its course.

I stand by that as my opinion. Regardless of how hard you try, you cannot show that I thought I had "the right" or was, in any way, attempting to decide that others should/had finished with the thread - because I wasn't.

However, while attacking me for something I didn't do you now say I don't think its for anybody to post that they think a thread has run its course. That is an attempt to tell everyone what they may or may not do.

So you are, without any evidence, suggesting I was telling people what to do when I was only voicing a personal opinion but then ending (or so you say) your posting by telling everyone what they may not post.

I do think that your continuous attack on my comment was far more because of the reason I gave for making it than for any verifiable indication that I was deciding something for others.

I don't think its for anybody to post that they think a thread has run its course. How do you get to decide that? You can think a thread is boring, or off topic, or straying into territory that doesn't relate to the title, but I disagree strongly with your opinion that it has run its course. Saying it has run its course implies that you think there is no more to be said on the matter. So you think that anything that comes after is not worth bothering about. And nobody, not me and not you, has the right to decide that a thread is finished with.

I'll not be posting on this topic anymore.

It was an opinion, made in a post which you may choose to call a statement. But what difference does that make? I am, although you are telling me I am not, allowed to express an opinion that a thread has run its course. This is not the same, in any way, as deciding for anyone else that the thread has run its course.

I have no quarrel with you Volver but you certainly seem determined to pick one with me. However, I am stuck on the sofa until I can move today. So, if you really want to play this game I am happy to continue.

I think that when a thread comes down to personal attacks rather evidence about the thread topic, it has probably run its course.

That's a statement. A statement of what you think. Which I did check. One thing that I'm known for is "checking"

volver

You stated that you think this thread has run its course.

Where I come from "run its course" means that its come to an end and there shouldn't be any more posting, or that what posting there is is a waste of time. Yet I'm the one being accused of trying to limit what people post.

I need to think that one through a bit. ??‍♀️

I did not state anything. By continuing this, it is now becoming a personal attack on me, following your attack on GG13.

My post, which you could have checked, said: "I think that when a thread comes down to personal attacks rather evidence about the thread topic, it has probably run its course." I am quite sure all on GN can make their own decisions about an opinion offered by another member.