Boris wins confidence vote

No problem Fanny I was confused too

Sorry Lizzie, I didn’t mean to sound confrontational.
I was just baffled too!

^I have never seen MSM standing for ‘men who sleep with men’.
And the expression is ‘men who have sex with men’^

I stand corrected for my misinterpretation of the original comment and have apologised to the poster. However, MSM is used to describe men who have sex with men, in some contexts. Obviously, in this particular context it referred to Mainstream Media. Just shows how important contextual cues are.

Oh really? Madness!

FannyCornforth

I have never seen MSM standing for ‘men who sleep with men’.
And the expression is ‘men who have sex with men’

Me neither. But if you google for "MSM acronym" (yes I know it's not an acronym it's an initialisation) it's the first that comes up.

Of course it’s Mainstream Media

I have never seen MSM standing for ‘men who sleep with men’.
And the expression is ‘men who have sex with men’

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

Well, that wouldn't be too bad!

How to you reconcile investment in infrastructure with a promise to reduce taxation (for some)?

Taxation does not fund Government spending

source MaizieD and many other economists

Absolutely true, GG13, but although this government has 'created' £billions, at no cost,in the last couple of years they, and the MSM are telling the public that it has to be paid back through higher taxation and cutting government spending. And the public are happy to go along with it because Thatcher told them that there was no such thing as 'public money', just taxpayer's money.

Until we get a government that is bold enough to tell the public that state investment grows the economy through the opportunities for sales to the 'state' (because the state has to source goods and services from the private sector and the wages of both state and private sector employees in receipt of state funding are spent into the national economy) then 'austerity' (with its resultant economic depression) could well be the order of the day for a long time.?

I think it means both now. Could cause much confusion

LizzieDrip

growstuff (not a ‘thicko’ at all)
MSM means men who sleep with men - I assume Urmstongran was using it in that context. If so, it seems very unfair to link people’s sexual preference to their political leanings. Please correct me if I’m wrong!

Aha! I really am naive. I always thought it was "mainstream media". Thanks for enlightening me.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

Well, that wouldn't be too bad!

How to you reconcile investment in infrastructure with a promise to reduce taxation (for some)?

Taxation does not fund Government spending

source MaizieD and many other economists

Lol I know, but Sunak keeps telling us it does, so he's going to be persuaded otherwise? Is he at last going to tell the public how money flow really works?

Oops Apologies to Urmstongran! Perhaps my interpretation of MSM shows where my mind is!

Main Stream Media.

MSM

growstuff (not a ‘thicko’ at all)
MSM means men who sleep with men - I assume Urmstongran was using it in that context. If so, it seems very unfair to link people’s sexual preference to their political leanings. Please correct me if I’m wrong!

growstuff

Well, that wouldn't be too bad!

How to you reconcile investment in infrastructure with a promise to reduce taxation (for some)?

Taxation does not fund Government spending

source MaizieD and many other economists

Ooops! Sorry WW2 I didn't see your post.

volver

Oh, my favourite Nadine-ism from yesterday was that she told us all that the government had not prepared for a pandemic. ??‍♀️

Although being at war with Ukraine was good too....

She also told us the Party didn't want to upset its multi-million pound donors.

Well, that wouldn't be too bad!

How to you reconcile investment in infrastructure with a promise to reduce taxation (for some)?

Oh, my favourite Nadine-ism from yesterday was that she told us all that the government had not prepared for a pandemic. ??‍♀️

Although being at war with Ukraine was good too....

Whitewavemark2

By basics do you mean traditional Toryism? The paternalistic type of Toryism?

Move away from the far right.

Listen to the electorate

Invest in infrastructure

25Avalon

Interestingly he only had 66% support from fellow MP’s when he came to power. This has now dropped to 59% so not such a major loss as some might think. His popularity was with the electorate so whilst the Torries may close ranks for now to get policies through unless Boris has the support of the electorate he won’t be leading the party at the next General Election.

Yes except he had 66% when he was competing against others and 59% when only competing against himself...

Did anyone hear Nadine Dorries yesterday before the fatal vote announce that donors have said that they want Boris Johnson to continue and will withhold funding if he’s removed and therefore backbench MPs should listen to them.

Nakedly admitting that the Tory party leadership is in the hands of a few millionaires.

What an own goal that statement was! Apart from her saying that we are at war with Ukraine of course?

LizzieDrip

^The nation has more important things than allowing the MSM and the Remain elite to manipulate them, destroy the government and return us to the EU, which is what this is all about^

Why would MSM want to ‘destroy the government and return to the EU?’ This MSM comment could be viewed as homophobic. Of course, Johnson himself has made / written many homophobic comments - no-one appears to challenge that but I find it offensive.

Sorry to be a thicko, but why is the MSM comment homophobic?

I'm not really sure what you mean either.

The nation has more important things than allowing the MSM and the Remain elite to manipulate them, destroy the government and return us to the EU, which is what this is all about

Why would MSM want to ‘destroy the government and return to the EU?’ This MSM comment could be viewed as homophobic. Of course, Johnson himself has made / written many homophobic comments - no-one appears to challenge that but I find it offensive.