Boris wins confidence vote

By basics do you mean traditional Toryism? The paternalistic type of Toryism?

growstuff the Party will have to get back to basics to secure mine and many others vote.

25Avalon

My logic is that unless he regains public support he will be out. He has a year to do that as a vote of no confidence can’t be held for another twelve month.

They have already said that they can change the rules on the 12 months security of tenure. I think the public has had it with him, there’s no way back. My prediction is that the elections at the end of the month will go very badly for the Tories, there will be more letters of no confidence submitted as a result, and he’ll be gone by the end of the summer.

Karma.

The Tories have spent the last few years dividing the country and sowing hate.

Now we can watch as they fight amongst the different divisions and spout hate about each other, plotting to de-throne the chief divider.

GrannyGravy13

Definitely time for him to stand down, then the Party can elect a new leader, re-group and prepare for the next GE.

If I were a Conservative supporter, that's exactly what I would want. As I'm not, I sit on the sidelines and enjoy my popcorn (metaphorically).

My logic is that unless he regains public support he will be out. He has a year to do that as a vote of no confidence can’t be held for another twelve month.

25Avalon

Growstuff as I said it was the support of the electorate that got him in. Without it he will be jettisoned.

I’m not following your logic 25Avalon, as every poll since January has shown that he doesn’t have the support of the public now, and his popularity is diminishing further. Some of the MPs who voted against him have listened to their constituents, and some who voted for him haven’t.

Definitely time for him to stand down, then the Party can elect a new leader, re-group and prepare for the next GE.

Growstuff as I said it was the support of the electorate that got him in. Without it he will be jettisoned.

And what about Northern Ireland?

25Avalon

Interestingly he only had 66% support from fellow MP’s when he came to power. This has now dropped to 59% so not such a major loss as some might think. His popularity was with the electorate so whilst the Torries may close ranks for now to get policies through unless Boris has the support of the electorate he won’t be leading the party at the next General Election.

But he's got rid of those who opposed him most vocally - these are supposed to be the loyal ones - and it looks as though 75% of the non payroll MPs want him gone.

And more anti-immigrant stuff!

And blaming NHS staff for underfunding!

Maybe we should each one of those bingo card thingies and tick off when they're mentioned.

PS. Has anybody seen any building work on any of those 40 hospitals?

Interestingly he only had 66% support from fellow MP’s when he came to power. This has now dropped to 59% so not such a major loss as some might think. His popularity was with the electorate so whilst the Torries may close ranks for now to get policies through unless Boris has the support of the electorate he won’t be leading the party at the next General Election.

?

growstuff

More "war on woke".

Yes, that always plays well. The Daily Mail will have a field day with it.

And the ridiculous assumption (held by many I've found) that anti-Brexiters are all left wingers, there'll be renewed attacks on the Left... a kind of 'look-what-you'll-get-if-the-Left-are-in-power' theme.

I'd hope he will be more positive about people's real priorities rather than deflecting attention onto the Opposition. I think so many are concerned about inflation - and more to come, it seems. It would be good if he could introduce some meaningful measures that really would help people financially, not just immediately, but for the future. Businesses are closing - they can't find the staff, and people aren't spending. This is dismal. It's up to him to do something practical and helpful for business and the people. Simply parrying with the Opposition and reminding us of the successful vaccine programme (and it was) will not cut it for much longer.

MerylStreep

Whitewavemark2
Your eyes dilate when taking cocaine, it’s known as ^cocaine eye^

Time for work place drug testing?.

Whitewavemark2
Your eyes dilate when taking cocaine, it’s known as cocaine eye

Meantime in Scotland there are 2 thats TWO MP's out of our 59 who supported the clown .
Democracy? Dont make me laugh .Time we were out of this DISunion

The thing is - Johnson is not a committed Brexiteer.

He spent 8 years, as London Mayor, giving speeches and talks, reiterating how important it was for us to remain in the EU.

Even the night before he had to decide what way to jump in the Brexit campaign, he wrote out two speeches - one for staying, and one for going.

He was then advised that by leading the "leave campaign" he would enhance his chances of being PM.

He's never had a coherent plan with Brexit, which is why the whole thing is such a shambles.

Everything is only ever about him. It always has been.

He's a good con man though, and fooled a lot of people, but he's been found out now.?

The trouble is that there will be a lot of talk in the coming days of moving on and levelling up, cost of living, right to buy, crime etc etc.

But the point is - nothing happens, and where any effort is made it goes off half cock.

More "war on woke".

It will be interesting to see what he will pull out of the hat now to rally his support base.

Right to buy.

Does anyone remember that Margaret Thatcher was warned, prior to her demise, to soften her anti-European rhetoric?

Then there was the much-hated poll tax.

Boris Johnson appears to want a trade-war with Europe - the anti-EU rhetoric keeps on keeping on...

And we now have Sunak with his loan-but-not-a-loan being ditched in favour of more realistic help for, not just the poverty-stricken, but many who are just about managing. Forced to do that because of public opinion.

The similarities are interesting. Both Thatcher and Johnson were personally ambitious, but Johnson lacks the deep ideological conviction of Thatcher... Brexit was his transport to number 10, but I personally believe he would've hitched a ride on any other 'vehicle' as a means to an end.

I believe the writing is on the wall for him, and he's astute enough to know it.

It will be interesting to see what he will pull out of the hat now to rally his support base. I guess there'll be the inevitable cabinet reshuffle. But what will he throw out to the electorate? Most people appear to be mainly concerned with the ever-increasing cost of living. More anti-EU oratory - always popular with Brexiters - will not help our economic misery though. And 'build-back better' seems to have flopped. The promised immigration control is not under control. There'll be a few nods of confidence in the UK with some investors... investing in what's left of our industry, but will it be enough to really make a difference to the lives of ordinary people?

Having ditched the triple lock, presumably because he thought he wasn't still reliant on the 'grey' vote, he'll resurrect something for our benefit - now he realises that he still needs us .

He's got to do something that unites both the shire Tories and the Labour party defectors. And that will not be easy

Hmm! If I had a crystal ball (I don't ), I think the Conservatives will lose the next election. Whoever takes over is going to have a mammoth task and will probably disappoint. Meanwhile, the Conservatives will regroup. They need a good strategist, who can kick out the entryists from UKIP (Labour in reverse) and regain the trust of Middle England. I think we're in for a rocky decade or so. Meanwhile, the country needs to come to some kind of arrangement with the EU (single market or whatever) or we'll end up being no more relevant to future historians than Ancient Greece.

I agree with Casdon. This had very little to do with the outcome of the referendum. Some MPs genuinely do think Johnson is a charlatan. They became politicians to do some good - whether or not people agree with their ideology and methods. Others have witnessed public support slipping away from him and are fearful for their own seats. I taught one of the "ringleaders" some years ago and, unless she's changed a great deal, she's a genuine person - a "do-gooder" maybe - who couldn't tolerate hypocrisy.