Priti Patel wins legal battle over Rwanda migrants plan.

Patel says Julian Assange can be extradited to the USA.

Wikileeks foinder So utterly wrong to punish a journalist uncovering war crimes. Jail the warmongers instead.

Starmer had a hand in sending him to jail.

Could be

I read and retain a lot of random things, I remember it being an area though, not country wide

VioletSky I wonder if your recollection is based on this FT FactCheck report from 2016?

www.ft.com/content/79772697-54e4-32c9-96d7-5c1110270eb2

which starts:

"It’s a startling stat: golf courses occupy more English land than housing does. The claim was first made by housing consultant Colin Wiles in 2013 and publicised by Britain’s biggest housing charity Shelter."

"English golf courses occupy 270,000 hectares, he calculated – 2% of the total land area. By contrast 1.1% of England’s landmass is occupied by homes, according to official figures dug out by Shelter. It is a shocking contrast."

The claim was disproven nevertheless a huge amount of land is given over to golf courses, for example, 10% of Woking is golf courses.

"Surrey itself is home to 142 golf clubs and has more land (2.65 per cent) devoted to golf courses than to housing."

www.thegolfbusiness.co.uk/2017/09/more-than-10-of-woking-is-golf-courses/

Thank you CaravanSerai

Im pretty sure I read somewhere that one area has more land devoted to golf courses than housing

Life expectancy is falling in - that’s one way of getting rid of the elderly. Those who voted Brexit to stop immigration ( many of theFarage followers) are sorely disappointed as it’s gone up - but instead of. People who immediately got jobs and contributed we have thousands in the asylum system. Rwanda won’t be the answer. Even if they manage to send a handful there it won’t be a success. Anyone who rejoices in this policy must be lacking in humanity.

VioletSky

Isnt like less than 1% of the UK built on?

Doesn't sound very full

According to FullFact, about 8% of land in the UK is considered to be developed. That includes roads, schools, business and industrial buildings as well as homes and green space within urban development. What’s left is pasture, arable land and natural land such as hills and mountains, beaches, moorland, wetlands etc. Pasture and arable land accounts for about 55%. As we look towards rearing and growing more food and relying less on imports that needs to be protected as much as possible.

That said, the 8% of developed land contains an estimated 28 million homes which equates to 3.5 million homes per 1%. If government were to build the 300,000 new homes a year it promised in 2019, then over a ten year period we could have 3 million new homes which with necessary infrastructure will still only have used 1% more land.

The ONS estimates that the population of the UK will grow from an estimated 67.1 million in mid-2020 to 69.2 million in mid-2030 driven by a net 2.2 million people migrating into the country.

If we were to build those 3 million homes, there would be enough to house everyone.

Bear in mind too that the ONS estimates an increasing number of older people; the number of people aged 85 years and over was estimated to be 1.7 million in 2020 (2.5% of the UK population) and this is projected to almost double to 3.1 million by 2045 (4.3% of the UK population). We will need an increasing number of people to work in health and social care to meet the needs of an ageing population.

Those 2.2 million migrants are people who will work, pay taxes and contribute to our communities and our economy. They will be the health and social care workers we need as well as the construction workers who could build those 3 million homes and the people who will work to produce our food.

The fault is not that people want to come to live and work here. The fault is the government's continuing failure to plan and invest adequately to provide the infrastructure and services the country needs to support the people who want to live and work here wherever they happen to have been born.

fullfact.org/economy/has-92-country-not-been-built/

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationprojections/bulletins/nationalpopulationprojections/2020basedinterim

Thank you Volver for saying 'thick'
Yes. That.

Surely if we are full we should be deporting a bit more than refugees

Boris would be a good place to start

Isnt like less than 1% of the UK built on?

Doesn't sound very full

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Can I ask all of you who support refugees to look at the "Together with Refugees" website. It's an organisation which brings together those who are concerned about refugees. I've been to a few local events and it's a great way of meeting like minded people who restore your faith in the kindness of the British public, togetherwithrefugees.org.uk/we-will-fight-on/
We can't let the racist fascists win. We are not that country.

Urmstongran

^I have a neighbour who is from Zimbabwe - a family man, a kind and upright citizen. If Patel’s stormtroopers came to take him away I would be out there just like those folk in London.^

Goodness, this is getting silly now.
I’m sure most of us know kind, black family orientated neighbours.
I do too. His name is Barry. I’ve known him for 40 years. He’s lovely. He’s almost 80 now.

But he didn’t come over to this country illegally. Or outstay his visa.

The Police have laws to uphold. Otherwise we might as well have no laws. Simple.

It’s a slippery slope and we cheer on these activist actions at our peril.

Interesting that you've assumed the Zimbabwean neighbour is black. Wonder what that tells us about you.

I wonder why Priti Patel’s family came to U.K. when Rwanda would have been so much closer for them !!!

Urmstongran

Try Rennies? It might be reflux, from bile.
Hope it eases.

????

Urmstongran

Hyperbolic nonsense.

How many black British people illegally deported would stop it being either hyperbole or nonsense?

10?
20?
83? Because that’s the actual number, and it’s 83 too many.

How many British people being detained, losing their homes, their jobs, their passports and their right to healthcare would make it a verifiable scandal?

How many Hime Secretaries resigning as a result would convince you it happened?

How many government commissioned reports pointing out that the Home Office had shown "ignorance and thoughtlessness" and that what had happened had been "foreseeable and avoidable", and concluding that immigration regulations were tightened "with complete disregard for the Windrush generation" and that officials had made "irrational" demands for multiple documents to establish residency rights would you need to read to believe something factual?

And how many Parliamentary Committee reports from just a year ago condemning the Home Office’s continued dilatory behaviour would persuade you that you are - again - wrong?

Try Rennies? It might be reflux, from bile.
Hope it eases.

Actually I’m out of this, as it is leaving me with a very nasty taste in my mouth.

Urmstongran

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Are you saying it hasn’t happened?

How many deaths was the Mail responsible for by the propaganda they adopted. They are still at it today. What a disgusting rag.

Peckham vs Rwanda, it's a close call.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

But you see some Barry’s of this world have been forcibly transported back to Jamaica and other countries.

None of these people are safe.

Ask the Windrush folk and their children.

I have a neighbour who is from Zimbabwe - a family man, a kind and upright citizen. If Patel’s stormtroopers came to take him away I would be out there just like those folk in London.

Goodness, this is getting silly now.
I’m sure most of us know kind, black family orientated neighbours.
I do too. His name is Barry. I’ve known him for 40 years. He’s lovely. He’s almost 80 now.

But he didn’t come over to this country illegally. Or outstay his visa.

The Police have laws to uphold. Otherwise we might as well have no laws. Simple.

It’s a slippery slope and we cheer on these activist actions at our peril.

Zoejory

Who is Sarah Murphy?

I'm not sure we can blame Brexit or Patel for this. There is a problem world wide. USA is trying to tackle it. Many European nations are in a similar situation.

It's wrong to suggest that people are racists or bigots if they try to tackle the situation. Would you call Biden a racist and a bigot?

I am totally against the Rwanda idea. However I don't know what. the answer is.

But calling up people in an area to go and stop an arrest/deportation is totally wrong.

Of course we can! It is Patels policies or rather Johnson’s government policies enthusiastically supported by Patel that is causing this mess.

And none of this would be happening pre-Brexit because we had a working relationship with France. Johnson broke that to pieces.

Yes we need to monitor those seeking asylum, yes it needs to be done in an ordered and humane fashion not this appalling transportation of human misery.

I have a neighbour who is from Zimbabwe - a family man, a kind and upright citizen. If Patel’s stormtroopers came to take him away I would be out there just like those folk in London.

Who is Sarah Murphy?

I'm not sure we can blame Brexit or Patel for this. There is a problem world wide. USA is trying to tackle it. Many European nations are in a similar situation.

It's wrong to suggest that people are racists or bigots if they try to tackle the situation. Would you call Biden a racist and a bigot?

I am totally against the Rwanda idea. However I don't know what. the answer is.

But calling up people in an area to go and stop an arrest/deportation is totally wrong.