RIP The right of a woman to choose

I'm always surprised and saddened by people wanting to take away women's autonomy over their own bodies

Lots of people may need an abortion for ANY reason up to 24 weeks and beyond. I also find it surprising Kandinsky you cannot understand for some that might be a financial decision. We have loads of threads on here where Gransnetters berate poor people for having children they cannot afford

and as for JRM, I don't believe any men should be deciding what access women have to contraception and abortion either

Please remember that there will be many in America opposing this; the government opposes it. We can have a tolerant discussion; they have to live with it.

I had a very despondent conversation with my niece this morning. I said it feels as if America is using Taliban-style religious courts. She said sadly that I was not the first person she has heard mention that comparison.

America is huge and the culture differs so much, even from state to state. It was a once-great country, rather as we were. At some point, we, the fighters for democracy, must have really taken our eye off the ball.

Kandinsky your 'uncomfortableness' doesn't trump other women's rights and choices.

MaizieD

^I do think that fundamentalist Christians have more of a sway in the States than they ever would here.^

May be, but do you think that our rogue government, which is being controlled by the rightwing authoritarian section of the PLP wouldn't be capable of introducing an abortion ban, or the death penalty at their behest in order to hang on to power? Regardless of what the populace wanted?

We not only have RC JRM, but we have some protestant fundamentalists in the extreme right wing, too..

No, I don't believe they could. They would not get a majority in the Commons and it would not be passed in the HofL.

This was not a US Government decision but the majority decision of extreme rightwing Catholic judges in the Supreme Court, some appointments having been made by the previous President.

It’s the thin end of the wedge.

To the people who are saying it could never happen here. I'm sorry to repeat myself but did you ever think that any PM would illegally close down parliament to prevent discussion of something he wanted to do? Did you ever think a PM would break the law but then say he wasn't going to leave office? Did you ever think that a Government would encourage disinformation about a court of human rights to create an environment in the country where people support the erosion of their own human rights?

Just because we haven't seen it before, doesn't mean that it won't happen. Things can go backward in any country, including ours.

Our democratically elected government is not rogue, and simply reiterating untruths does not make them facts.
Unfortunately, some people come to believe them if they see them frequently enough, which is how activists work.

you only have to read some of the comments on here (not just this thread) to see how little value people place on women. A woman's right to do what she wants to do with her own body is just that. You either believe in that or you don't. It has nothing to do with religion

What untruths have been repeated here, please?

Johnson will be out within the year, and he would never attack abortion rights anyway what ever I may think of him.

volver

What untruths have been repeated here, please?

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/decision-of-the-supreme-court-on-the-prorogation-of-parliament/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10735289/Boris-Johnson-FINALLY-admits-broke-law-PM-accepts-Partygate-birthday-bash-illegal.html

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1630815/rwanda-deportation-flights-uk-european-court-human-rights-lawyer-priti-patel-update

The " Handmaids Tale" is getting closer and closer.

I put my hand up and confess that I declared that Boris Johnson would never become Prime Minister.
So yes, anything could happen.

eazybee

Our democratically elected government is not rogue, and simply reiterating untruths does not make them facts.
Unfortunately, some people come to believe them if they see them frequently enough, which is how activists work.

Ditto.

Stating that a government is not rogue doesn't make it true either.

I fully support a woman’s right to choose - but with abortion so easily available ( & it is for most women
in the UK ) are women being put under pressure to end the pregnancy by men or other family members?
I know of 2 women who aborted pregnancies because their partner pressured them into it. One woman was 14 weeks.
That’s my worry.
Absolutely fine if the woman herself is 100% sure that’s what she wants, but I’m not sure this is the case all the time.
Then there’s the babies aborted just because they’re the wrong gender.
And what about the women who have multiple abortions? - I’ve heard of women having 10!
Abortion is absolutely the right thing in many cases, but like anything, it can be abused ( by people other than the women! )

Anecdotal evidence isn't data

There will absolutely be men who force women to have abortions. The answer to that is not to get rid of abortion but to look at tackling abuse. There are men who will force women to get married, we dont suggest abolishing marriage. We look at better ways to support women at risk of abuse.

Exactly! Anecdotes aren't the same as data.

In any case, if a woman's partner doesn't want a pregnancy to continue, the relationship is going to be on very shaky ground, if a baby is born. The woman could very well find herself being a single mother with little support, which would not have been something she had envisaged. I believe it must be the woman's decision, but if her circumstances change, she has the right to consider all the options.

It’s not anecdotal.

Babies are aborted because they’re female - this is a fact.
Some women have multiple abortions - also a fact.
Women can have an abortion up to 24 weeks for any reason. - fact.
Some women are pressed into abortion - fact.

You can say it's a fact til you are blue in the face, without data your 'facts' are meaningless.

Women being pressured into abortion does not mean it is very much an option for others

Kandinsky

It’s not anecdotal.

Babies are aborted because they’re female - this is a fact.
Some women have multiple abortions - also a fact.
Women can have an abortion up to 24 weeks for any reason. - fact.
Some women are pressed into abortion - fact.

But most don't have multiple abortions, most abortions take place within weeks of conception and most women make the decision themselves - facts!

JaneJudge

you only have to read some of the comments on here (not just this thread) to see how little value people place on women. A woman's right to do what she wants to do with her own body is just that. You either believe in that or you don't. It has nothing to do with religion

This, in a nutshell. Of course anyone is entitled to have their own views on abortion - it is an emotive issue. But some people need to remember that 'their' views are just that - theirs and theirs alone. It does not give them the right to decide what another person does with their body.

Then there’s the babies aborted just because they are the wrong gender.

I thought that it’s illegal to abort on the grounds of gender. It might happen, but only if the woman was prepared to lie about her reasons for seeking an abortion.