RIP The right of a woman to choose

We should learn from the US how disastrous the First Past The Post electoral system is.

In 2016 Hillary Clinton received 3 million more votes than Donald Trump and yet Trump was elected.

He then appointed three ultra right wing judges to the Supreme Court and this is the result.

Callistemon

According to the news reporter on Sky ,they will target same sex relationships next ,get rid of SS marriage and aim to criminalise homosexuality.
Old men forcing their beliefs on the rest of their nation.Shouldn't be allowed

maddyone

Just seen that President Biden has condemned the new ruling on abortion. That’s good news, but will it have any effect? Sadly I doubt it.

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maddyone

They execute people, they make abortion illegal, and all under a Democratic government. Unbelievable!

Biden has condemned this decision.

It is becoming an increasingly polarised country.

Just seen that President Biden has condemned the new ruling on abortion. That’s good news, but will it have any effect? Sadly I doubt it.

I saw that programme Glorianny. Think it was called 3 women. It was both moving and shocking that women and girls still have to travel here fir terminations. It is not something taken lightly by most women, but its essential to have the choice. Otherwise its the danger of back streets again.

I hope the couple in Malta manage to get the abortion they desperately need. It was too dangerous for the wife to travel to the UK and so we’re trying to go somewhere nearer to Malta. Apparently they thought that because Malta is in the EU that there would be rights to abortion. Sadly they didn’t understand how the EU works with things like abortion left to individual countries to legislate on.

Thank you Chewbacca. That is truly horrifying. All those countries where women have no rights to abortion.

There was a TV drama about three women in Ireland refused abortions. It was harrowing. The programme finished by saying although the law had been changed no abortions were being performed in the country and women were still travelling to the UK.
So the law offers little protection.

It’s got me to wondering just how many countries don’t allow abortions

Abortion is completely illegal in the following countries: Andorra, Aruba (territory), Republic of the Congo, Curaçao (territory),
Dominican Republic, Egypt, El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, Iraq, Jamaica, Laos, Madagascar, Malta, Mauritania, Nicaragua, Palau, Philippines, San Marino, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Suriname, Tonga, and West Bank & Gaza Strip (Palestinian territories

I saw the news article about the couple in Malta too maddyone; the poor woman was sat in a hospital bed just praying that she'd miscarry naturally because she knew that there was no possibility that her daughter could survive. Her story was really heart breaking.

www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/crime/judge-revokes-decision-give-dad-full-custody-after-mom-rape-accusation/%3famp=true

What's even worse, the child born of rape has shared custody with the rapist

Chris Bryant
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The ?? needs to wake up to what’s happening in ?? and the nature of some ?? MPs.

A 12 year old girl who has been raped may not be allowed an abortion. She must bear her rapist's child.

But if , just a few years later, that child happens to be in a primary school when a mad gun rights enthusiast comes in and kills the child, her classmates and her teacher, then that's OK.

He was only exercising his right to bear arms under the second amendment to the US constitutions

But you see how our powerful press and the Tory party react to any intervention by the church Galaxy. Also this government is taking away our right to protest. We are being made powerless in inches.

I have thought it through quite well thanks. I loathe Johnsons government but I think you are underestimating the difference in culture, the role of religion and a country that is still in the very early stages of development, however wealthy it may be.

Those of you who are saying that the UK isn't like the US aren't thinking it through enough.

There is nothing to stop the government changing the way that judges are appointed so as to make judges political appointments, as they are in the US. Our current government is engaged in enacting all sorts of outrageous legislation, has a compliant majority of MPs who are willing to hand them more and more power and is placing friends in high places in an effort to secure the UK as a tory fiefdom. If you haven't discovered that yet I'd advise you to wake up.

Once judges are politicised they become agents of the state. The potential for banning abortion, same sex marriage, anything that they don't like, becomes more likely and judges will interpret such laws in the way the state wants them too.

Don't think it couldn't happen here, because it could.

We never thought that we would walk into a fascist dictatorship, but we're well on the way now. Poor people and foreign people are their current targets. Women could be next...

P.S I don't think that yesterday's by election results make much difference. Johnson won't go and his masters, the ERG, will have their way.

My middle name is Cassandra, BTW...

Indeed AmberSpyglass. One of my sons is gay. Is the USA now yet another country he dare not visit? We went to Disney in Florida four years ago with him, his partner (they are married) and their then six year old son. We had a wonderful holiday with them. Would this now not be possible for them? It’s worrying.

AmberSpyglass

I got married in the US. Terrifying to think that my marriage may end because of the Supreme Court (instead of Cate Blanchett realising that I am her one true love).

Vote

It is the only way to fight against governments intent against taking away our human rights. We have one of those in the U.K. and hopefully people are beginning to wake up.

Thank you RichmondPark, it is indeed very upsetting to read. Undoubtedly women and girls will die as a result of this ruling. Very, very upsetting.
I was surprised also last night to see the situation I described up thread about Malta. It’s much the same there apparently. I just wonder in how many countries are women being denied the right to a safe abortion?

I got married in the US. Terrifying to think that my marriage may end because of the Supreme Court (instead of Cate Blanchett realising that I am her one true love).

Incredibly they aren't all men Whitewavemark2.

Makes me sick.

It's a long article maddyone. It makes upsetting reading I'm afraid. Key points are: -

This ruling goes against public opinion. 57% of Americans support abortion. This figure has never been higher.

Pregnant women will find it harder to find care as any treatment, aid, medication which is then followed by stillbirth or miscarriage can result in criminal investigation of the mother and the medical staff.

Women can be incarcerated if they are felt to be at risk of seeking an abortion.

Stillbirth will arouse suspicion and investigation, possibly conviction (examples of real cases provided).

Women will die through lack of this care and through inability to obtain abortion on medical grounds. One report suggests a 20% increase in mortality rates.

Finally, this quote, which I find so upsetting others may wish to avoid.
"In Texas, already, children aged nine, ten, and eleven, who don’t yet understand what sex and abuse are, face forced pregnancy and childbirth after being raped. Women sitting in emergency rooms in the midst of miscarriages are being denied treatment for sepsis because their fetuses’ hearts haven’t yet stopped. People you’ll never hear of will spend the rest of their lives trying and failing, agonizingly, in this punitive country, to provide stability for a first or fifth child they knew they weren’t equipped to care for."

Someone else might have been able to put this together better than me, but I have tried to capture the main points.