Boris Johnson aiming to stay in Downing Street until 2030s

Whitewavemark2

“There have always been flashes of instability – the frothing temper, the bizarre shrieking when under pressure – but as a narcissist these traits only get worse when he is cornered as he is now…Reality is closing in on Boris Johnson.”

You have it in a nutshell there!

growstuff

varian Hopefully, the good people of Somerset will look at what their neighbours in Devon have just done!

Yes growstuff -the good people of Somerset made up their own minds just last month when the results of voting for the new Unitary Authority of Somerset were - LibDem 61, Cons 36, Lab 5, Green 5, Ind 3

I think Boris means 20.30, not 2030 - he’s just made it through one more day, but his days are numbered.

varian Hopefully, the good people of Somerset will look at what their neighbours in Devon have just done!

growstuff wrote I disagree with you about a vote not being about "pick and mix". Maybe I'm weird, but every election I make a list of parties' policies. None of them have ever matched exactly what I'd like, so I choose the best fit.

With all due respect, your reply indicates that you do agree with what I meant.

If someone wants to get him out from being Prime Minister and also believes that keeping the nuclear deterrent is important, yet getting him out from being Prime Minister can only be achieved by voting for unilateral nuclear disarmament, then the voter needs to decide which is more important to him or her.

So not pick and mix. I probably did not explain what i meant very well.

It is like in the 2019 General Election.

It seems that people who were lifelong voters for Labour chose to have him as Prime Minister as it was more important to them to Get Brexit Done than to get a Labour government.

They perhaps felt that if they voted Labour and there would be a Labour government that Brexit would never get done.

So they had to choose for which not-ideal-for-them package to vote.

Pantglas2

Not weird at all * Growstuff* I’ve been doing that since 1974 when I got to vote twice in the same year!

You were lucky to get two votes in 1974 Pantglas. We were living here in the UK, British citizens paying taxes yet we were not able to vote in either of the 1974 elections because we had been living abroad when the electoral roll was made up in October 1973.

When, before the first of these elections, our Tory MP knocked on the door I told him we didn't have a vote, he lost interest in us and walked away.

When the Liberal candidate came round, he said he was sorry we couldn't vote but asked if we would like to help.

It took till 1997 to get our LibDem MP but he held the seat for 18 years and did a great job, before standing down in 2015. Since then we have had an appalling ERG Tory, now suspended from the parliamentary Conservative party and under investigation for sexual harrassment, taking class A drugs, borrowing a huge sum of money from a very dodgy Russian and nepotism (getting a very well paid "consultancy" job for a family member from the dodgy Russian).

His behaviour almost seems par for the course for Johnson's followers. No moral compass whatsoever.

OMG what a horrible thought , I wonder if Carrie will stay/ last that long to appreciate the wallpaper?

Not weird at all * Growstuff* I’ve been doing that since 1974 when I got to vote twice in the same year!

StarDreamer

The thing is though that at the next General Election, it will not be all about keeping him, it will also be about what is the alternative.

If one of the other choices is reversing Brexit?

If one of the other choices is unilateral nuclear disarmament?

Each party puts forward a package deal, it is not pick and mix.

Have a look at the current LibDem policies:

www.libdems.org.uk/what-liberal-democrats-believe-2022

Sure, the LibDems would love the UK to be back in the EU, but pragmatically they would probably settle for negotiating something to replace the single market.

LibDems need to advertise their core values: liberty, equality, democracy, human rights, community, internationalism and environmentalism. They then need to give examples of how the values would work in practice.

I disagree with you about a vote not being about "pick and mix". Maybe I'm weird, but every election I make a list of parties' policies. None of them have ever matched exactly what I'd like, so I choose the best fit.

It's all a bit like the having a mentally unfit monarch who no-one can tell the truth to or remove from office
Except that our monarchs don't wield that much power!

The men in white coats, sadly, never came for trump. I’m sure they were parked just round the corner for four years.

It's all a bit like the having a mentally unfit monarch who no-one can tell the truth to or remove from office.

We have a person in high office who is clearly mentally unfit for the office but there is no way of getting him out. His very unfitness is what keeps him there because he is oblivious to every single one of his actions and words which mark him as unfit.

I can only hope that after hubris comes nemesis.

(I also think he says these outrageous things just to keep himself in the lime light and to cause further chaos)

As an afterthought

Oh gracious PM we thee implore,
To go away and sin no more.
Or, if the effort be too great,
To go away at any rate..

(with apologies to Anon c1820)

Grantanow

All political careers (except perhaps Lloyd-George's and Churchill's) end in failure but some take longer than others. Johnson is a disaster but his MPs and Cabinet are too spineless to depose him. We need a general election and grown up agreements between the other Parties to get the Tories out. They need a good few years in the wilderness for their ranks to be replenished by younger, more competent people instead of the useless Brexiteers Johnson appointed.

But what would be the issues at such a General Election?

Would the Liberal Democrats campaign to reverse Brexit and unilaterally end the nuclear deterrent?

Would people vote for those just to get a new Prime Minister?

Yes, I did laugh at Joseanne's joke but sadly and frighteningly delusional is the word I would choose.

But if the rule at the time of the confidence vote was that winning it by even just one vote stopped another confidence vote about him for a year, is it fair to change that?

It is not much good objecting (quite rightly) to abolishing Human Rights legislation but wanting to retrospectively change some rule because one doesn't like the person who benefits from it.

If the rule over confidence votes is changed, then that particular win should be exempt.

Delusional is the kindest comment I can make.

All political careers (except perhaps Lloyd-George's and Churchill's) end in failure but some take longer than others. Johnson is a disaster but his MPs and Cabinet are too spineless to depose him. We need a general election and grown up agreements between the other Parties to get the Tories out. They need a good few years in the wilderness for their ranks to be replenished by younger, more competent people instead of the useless Brexiteers Johnson appointed.

BJ also said that he might resign if he could not bring about an end to the war in Ukraine. Isn't this a strategy for resigning without (he hopes) loss of face?
Because how could any prime minister of GB bring about the ending of the war, and how can focusing on Ukraine fit with his other much trumpeted commitment to concentrate on 'delivering what the people of this country want', which is competence in government, easing the cost of living crisis and improving public services?

Joseanne

Well at least he'll get value from his wallpaper.

???

His arrogance knows no bounds.

The power has gone to BoJo's head - as happened to Thatcher who also said she wanted to go on and on. And we all know what happened to her.

What is even more concerning are the words BoJo used about changing the legal system and other things. He has obviously worked out what stands in his way under current rules and frameworks and is hellbent on changing them so that he doesn't have to be bound by them. This is chilling.

It will be interesting to see if those who want to change the 1922 Committee rules re confidence votes get voted in at next month's AGM as part of its executive so that they can propose a change in the interval of one year before holding confidence votes.

I have read that BoJo has lined up his own supporters to stand for these positions so we must hope that if they stand they will lose.

Failing that we must wait for the verdict of the Privileges Committee investigating whether he lied to Parliament, although I'm not optimistic that he would agree to go even then.

He's clearly delusional, as has been said, so then it would be time to send in the men in white coats.....

“There have always been flashes of instability – the frothing temper, the bizarre shrieking when under pressure – but as a narcissist these traits only get worse when he is cornered as he is now…Reality is closing in on Boris Johnson.”

There is an article in the Observer suggesting that friends and family have always been concerned aboutJohnsons mental health

I think we need the SAS to carry out a special operation in Downing St.

I also think that Johnson is stark staring bonkers.

I find the fact that he is both thinking that way and even openly voicing it is quite worrying in itself.

It says so much about how he sees himself, and how deaf he is to any opinions that don't match his ambition or fit his own personal agenda.

The words tin pot dictator spring to mind

His fellow Tory MPs need to wake up and act now!