Doctors want a 30% pay rise!

DD's friend was working two days a week in a hospital. Come the pandemic she was working 6 x 12 hour shifts a week, living away from home with her husband visiting every couple of months when he could get away from work. This went on for a year. How do you put a price on work like that?

May I ask, do doctors get their education paid 100% in the UK? Do they have to do years of residencies as well?

So we work them excessive hours, pay them little, have them paying back the cost of trainibg, then we somehow chain them to a desk/operating table so they can’t go to Hermany or Australia, earn more and be treated with respect ?! Really

Urmstongran

I think emigration to Australia would lessen if newly qualified doctors had to sign up to practicing here in the UK NHS for a set number of years instead of taking their expensive training away from these shores.

You do know that the two years post graduation are always done in the UK don’t you? And that in order to be a doctor the student has to fund 5 years of living and accommodation costs, leaving many in huge debt by the time they start working? And you still begrudge them being paid the going rate for the job they do, and want them shackled to staying in the UK (for how many more years after the two they already do?).

volver

Like indentured servants, you mean?

That was exactly my thought.

Like indentured servants, you mean?

I think emigration to Australia would lessen if newly qualified doctors had to sign up to practicing here in the UK NHS for a set number of years instead of taking their expensive training away from these shores.

Witzend, yes !

At least a pay rise might stop young doctors emigrating to Australia, where I gather that the pay is considerably better.

IMO we’ve relied for far too long on importing doctors from countries where pay is lower - often considerably so.

It’s time we trained more doctors here, too.

Brexit was supposed to bring us a high wage economy. Why doesn’t this government put its money where it’s mouth is.

Iam64

How very dare they, these highly qualified, dedicated doctors reduce their hours to 4 days a week for lifestyle issues? !

My GP was working 12 hour days pre-pandemic. It’s worse now.

What is it with some elements of the culture in this country, that means paying public servants the kind of wages they’d get in the private sector gives some a head ache. Don’t dare mention the possibility that doctors, teachers, police officers etc may be happier and more productive if not working 12 hour days 5 or more days a week

These Junior doctors are obviously all millennial snowflakes who just need to get on with it like the rest of us did.

Spoilt brats.

*sarcasm, I hope was obvious

Maddyone, my view is people who make critical comments about the pay public sector workers, or barristers working in criminal law, earn,- know nothing about the training, dedication, stress, responsibility and long hours these people work

SueDonim

Oh good! My dd might be able to afford to buy a house if she gets a 30% pay rise!

Many doctors work a four day week but with long hours. I think by the time my dd had done 4 x 12.5hr shifts in a row, she’s earned a day off.

No idea what you're moaning about! It would only take six years to save up for a tree house, if she didn't pay tax, NICs, student loan repayments and could live on fresh air!

Urmstongran

If they get 30% who is next in line? Teachers, firefighters, police, paramedics, bin men? All do a sterling job. Would paying huge rises add to inflation? It just seems such a huge rise to ask for. Almost a third of their wages in one great leap. I just don’t think it’s possible.

‘Bin men’!!!

Sorry. I had jiggled the table to make it clearer but it didn't post as anticipated.

I can't make it post as copied, so hope it's not too muddled.
I was trying to make clear that doctors don't earn mega-bucks, starting on £25,494 after five years of study, and then with another couple of years after the hospital Foundation years to specialize.

Just for comparison, a teacher earns £25,714 in their first year of teaching.

I also think doctors are the latest target of the right wing press.
Most people who comment about doctors pay know absolutely nothing about doctors work patterns and pay.

Urmstongran

‘No’?
Okay, let’s have a free for-all then. Let everyone in Team.UK have huge rises. Pensions of 20% more anyone?

You’ve missed the point. 30% is what they have lost in comparison to the private sector since 2010. They are asking for parity, not more than they are worth.

Iam64

How very dare they, these highly qualified, dedicated doctors reduce their hours to 4 days a week for lifestyle issues? !

My GP was working 12 hour days pre-pandemic. It’s worse now.

What is it with some elements of the culture in this country, that means paying public servants the kind of wages they’d get in the private sector gives some a head ache. Don’t dare mention the possibility that doctors, teachers, police officers etc may be happier and more productive if not working 12 hour days 5 or more days a week

I think it's the Prosecco which gives them the headache.

From the BMA site, pay scales for Foundation doctors.

Foundation doctors
ScaleFoundation doctor year 1Foundation doctor year 2
Min 25,494 31,621
1 27,085 33,689
2 28,676 35,757

Foundation doctors are the ones who have qualified and are at the beginning of their careers. They are the ones who run around the wards in hospitals 12+ hours at a time making decisions that affect lives day after day.
The demands made of them are outrageous.

30% is not 'a bit steep'.

But they're not asking for 30%, are they? Much as the Daily Mail would like you to think that they are.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61957154

Urmstongran

‘No’?
Okay, let’s have a free for-all then. Let everyone in Team.UK have huge rises. Pensions of 20% more anyone?

Pensioners have already been given 10% (probably) and an extra £300 WFA.

How very dare they, these highly qualified, dedicated doctors reduce their hours to 4 days a week for lifestyle issues? !

My GP was working 12 hour days pre-pandemic. It’s worse now.

What is it with some elements of the culture in this country, that means paying public servants the kind of wages they’d get in the private sector gives some a head ache. Don’t dare mention the possibility that doctors, teachers, police officers etc may be happier and more productive if not working 12 hour days 5 or more days a week

Urmstongran

If they get 30% who is next in line? Teachers, firefighters, police, paramedics, bin men? All do a sterling job. Would paying huge rises add to inflation? It just seems such a huge rise to ask for. Almost a third of their wages in one great leap. I just don’t think it’s possible.

Using Sunak's logic, how would increasing public service workers' pay increase the price of anything and thus add to inflation?

‘No’?
Okay, let’s have a free for-all then. Let everyone in Team.UK have huge rises. Pensions of 20% more anyone?

If they get 30% who is next in line? Teachers, firefighters, police, paramedics, bin men? All do a sterling job. Would paying huge rises add to inflation? It just seems such a huge rise to ask for. Almost a third of their wages in one great leap. I just don’t think it’s possible.