Javid and Sunak have both resigned their cabinet posts….

Kandinsky

*Well at least Kandinsky appeared !*

like I’m the only person in the country who voted for brexit.

The whole ‘Tory sleeze’ thing doesn’t bother me as I’m old enough to have seen it all before.

You must be ancient because I'm sure I'm not old enough to have seen anything like this on this scale before.

There is some pressure to change the "confidence vote" rules today:

"Change to no confidence rules could happen today

The 1922 Committee - which consists of backbench Conservative MPs - could change its rules today to allow a vote of no confidence in Boris Johnson, according to a veteran Tory parliamentarian.

Mr Johnson survived a vote last month, and under the current rules 12 months must pass before another vote.

However, Sir Roger Gale - first elected to parliament in 1983 - said the rules could change today, although he does not know if it will happen.

He says that while he was not in favour of changings the rules previously, he feels it is necessary now as Mr Johnson is refusing to resign.

"We do have to change the rules," Sir Roger says.

"I don't like it because that is what the prime minister chooses to do on occasions.

"But I think we're going to have to do it."

Sir Roger was saying a similar thing last night, and the calls for a rule change have come from others within the party too.

An election is set to be held for new members of the 1922 Committee's executive - nominations close today and the vote will likely be next week.

Chris Loder, a 2019 new entry to the Conservative benches, told the BBC's Today Programme: "I have no idea who's going to stand, I suspect we will hear a little bit more about that over the next day or so.

"I certainly think now that those who stand for the 1922 Committee executive should consider [a rule change] now."

news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-live-updates-pm-fighting-for-political-life-after-sunak-and-javid-quit-12593360

Not happy Larry

It tells a story of the Tory party that they have a ready supply of people willing to step in and bolster the position of this man who has no integrity.

Meanwhile this clueless, moral vacuum of a government and Brexit keep delivering...sterling at two year low against dollar, businesses unable to function as no EU candidates apply.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62053700
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-62049326

Kandinsky

How did they get rid of Margaret Thatcher?
I mean I know she was really really hated ( more than Boris even ) but they pushed her out. Why isn’t that happening with Boris?

Margaret Thatcher observed the constitutional conventions and the ministerial code, and, for all that she had a vile political philosophy, she was genuinely 'serving the country (well, part of it).

Have you not yet understood that Johnson has no interest whatsoever in 'serving the country' and no intention of observing any conventions or 'codes'? He just won't go. How are we supposed to deal with that? Even if he is removed as tory party leader he could still sit tight in No 10 as 'caretaker PM' and then devise some way of evading expulsion.

I think the only way he'll be removed is physically, in handcuffs.

Kandinsky

How did they get rid of Margaret Thatcher?
I mean I know she was really really hated ( more than Boris even ) but they pushed her out. Why isn’t that happening with Boris?

It took a year and a leadership campaign after her Chancellor (Lawson) resigned for her to eventually go.

They can afford to resign.
The country is in a mess,and those that helped put it there walks away with heavy pockets.
I am wondering if it was a choice of resign or be sacked.

Kadinsky the leadership election process has changed. it now includes going out to party memebers.

Grannynannywanny loved it.

I remember a spoof clip of Trump that was posted during his last few days. I’m now picturing this scene unfolding in no 10.
youtu.be/Gj53uz-EvHg

M0nica it was David Cameron who came up with Johnson’s nickname, ‘the greased piglet’

How did they get rid of Margaret Thatcher?
I mean I know she was really really hated ( more than Boris even ) but they pushed her out. Why isn’t that happening with Boris?

Johnson to be gone "before summer recess".

www.channel4.com/news/loyal-boris-johnson-pps-jonathan-gullis-hands-in-letter-of-resignation

One newspaper described him today as like a greased piglet, who keeps slipping through the hands when you htink you have finally got him.

What sort of arrogant self-deluding b*****d is he, that no amtter how much people want him gone, he insists he is staying.

The parallels with Trump increase by the day. Nick Gibbs implicitly made the comparison on R4 yesterday and as I read the testemony being given at the Congessional hearings that show how close Trump came to mounting a Coup d'Etat and overthrowing the US Constitution. I cannot but see the parallels of character, thought processes and determination to stay in power, no matter how clear it is that the country wants him out sshowing through in our current PM.

He is a monomaniac who knows no bounds to what he will do to keep power. I think he is quite capable of seeing overthrowing democracy as a reasonable ploy.

I do not think he will succeed, anymore than Trump did, but the parallels are frightening.

I’m new to the thread, so apologies if this has already been mentioned.

Nadine Dorries posted a (hastily deleted) tweet congratulating Nadhim Zahawi on his new post as Health Secretary ?‍♀️

Poor soul. ?

Surely this avalanche of resignations will lead to him going. It's hard to believe anyone has such a brass neck!

westendgirl

Surprised to see that Johnson's chief cheer leader , Jonathan Gullis has resigned, but pleased to see that he has, Laura Trott too.

Ah - I misheard that westendgirl. I did wonder

Kandinsky

I voted for the conservatives because they were the only party who were respecting the referendum result.
Labour didn’t seem to know what they were doing about brexit, & the libdems were going to totally disregard the result.
So I voted for Boris ‘to get brexit done’ - which he has.
Absolutely no going back now which is just how it should be.
The majority voted to leave.

What happens now with the Tories doesn’t both me in the slightest. Although I still reckon on them winning the next election despite everything.

Brexit - whatever it meant individually - has been far from a success. It has happened. However, what joy can we take from that when it puts our country in a worse place than it has ever been.

We now need a government who don't see jingoism as a way to power. We need those who see hard work as the way forward - there will be plenty of it if to pull us back to a strong economy.

I can't say I care if someone with no real knowledge wants to "make our country great again", whatever they think that means. I do know we need those capable of doing, rather than chanting. We need a government that can build a strong economy for each and all, not build simply for their own power.

Surprised to see that Johnson's chief cheer leader , Jonathan Gullis has resigned, but pleased to see that he has, Laura Trott too.

Kandinsky

What should we be doing?
Storming parliament and dragging them out for a public flogging?

I’m not sure what we can do? Apart from vote them out at the next election.
What do you suggest?

Stopping excusing them by saying we've seen it all before would be a start.

Grandmabatty

Another one gone. Will Quince.

And Lord Trotter - I think that's what they said.

Kandinsky, we can expect our PM and MP’s to understand and support the legal framework on indecent assault. Not to call it ‘groping’.
It’s not too much to expect them, as public servants, to do as other areas in public service, teachers, social workers, health, police etc do and suspend anyone alleged to have committed a sexual offence. If not suspend, gardening leave would be acceptable in some circumstances.
Johnson said during an interview last night that the 2019 allegations against Pincher were resolved. In what way? The complainant didn’t want to pursue police investigation. That’s not uncommon, especially for male victims. It was clear at that time, pincher had a drink problem and behaved in an inappropriate possibly criminal way in his workplace. That’s not resolved

Another one gone. Will Quince.

They're stepping away to go for the leadership position but is it too little too late? I said that when I heard last night.

I don't think repeatedly sexual assaulting people is sleaze it is thinking it is just bit of sleaze is what has upset everyone isn't isn't it?

It did seem a bit battle of the blonde wig at Westminster on the news last night. I did wonder whether itv had filmed it like that on purpose

Well I suppose it all depends on your standards and who you think should be representing you and the best match for your own opinions.
Personally, I have quite high moral standards and expect those I have elected on my behalf to have the same, if not higher. Telling lies, manipulating facts and misogynistic behaviour are not traits that I admire.
Before anyone tells me that most politicians are like that, I’ve known a fair few politicians who are decent people.