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Heard the news? He has refused to go.

(65 Posts)
M0nica Wed 06-Jul-22 20:30:35

What more can I say. I just hope anyone offered a post in his reshuffled Cabinet turns it down.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Jul-22 02:50:07

It won’t be long before Johnson will be rallying his troops to march on parliament.

He sees it as an issue of the country v. Parliament.

Zonne Wed 06-Jul-22 22:53:47

Is he still writing replies to all the resignation letters? He’ll have writer’s cramp just doing his signature.

Copperjug Wed 06-Jul-22 22:52:24

Gove playing the long game.

Chewbacca Wed 06-Jul-22 22:43:56

Secretary of State for Wales Simon Hart has resigned from Boris Johnson's government

They're going down like skittles.

Chewbacca Wed 06-Jul-22 22:37:04

Cummings must be enjoying every second of watching this.

BlueBelle Wed 06-Jul-22 22:26:11

And still there are people ringing in to the radio to say he’s a good fella and being given a bad ride
Holds head in hands in despair

Casdon Wed 06-Jul-22 22:24:15

Here’s a more accurate summary of the Queen’s constitutional rights.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/07/could-the-queen-sack-boris-johnson-the-experts-are-divided

Grany Wed 06-Jul-22 22:13:57

Devorgilla

I'm beginning to think only the Queen can get him out. Some commentators were saying all three requirements to implement that have been met. Go on Dizzie Miss Lizzie, go for the spectacular end to your reign.

People who now trivialise the monarchy, or think somehow the monarchy is one of the strengths of our constitution, or who think the Queen might now have a role to play, you are clearly not understanding the problem here. The point of a head of state is to guard the constitution and ensure the rules are followed.

One of those rules is that the PM has the confidence of the Commons, which Johnson no longer has. An effective and accountable, elected head of state could make it very clear what the rules are and insist Johnson demonstrates he has that confidence.

A head of state could insist that if he can't demonstrate that, he either resigns or is sacked. A head of state could also reassure the country about how the constitution works and that there won't be a PM who cannot be dislodged. A head of state who is elected could also make it clear an election will not be granted for the purposes of avoiding these issues or saving the PM's career.

They could also insist on an election if there is a change of government, if that is clearly in the national interest. And whatever the head of state does if elected they can be accountable. We are often told that the monarch acts as a check on the powers of the PM, as a guardian of our constitution, but the reality is that in a serious crisis the monarch is silent.

The monarch has forfeited its role, handed all its powers to the PM and given up any independence. Far from being non-partisan, the monarch is in the pocket of the PM. And it's impossible now for the Queen to do much else, for the huge crisis action or inaction would cause.

We are told instead that there are conventions based on a letter written more than 70 years ago, that the Queen's powers will be exercised by anonymous advisers and that the likely outcome will always be that she will do as she's told. No independence, no speeches and no reassurances.

The monarchy is absolutely central to the problem, because it has helped centralise so much power in Number 10 that in a crisis like this even a vote of no confidence is no longer a guarantee of a resolution.

If you think monarchy isn't part of the problem, you haven't understood the problem. A lot now hangs on the judgement, integrity and good sense of Boris Johnson, because there are precious few mechanisms for an easy or clean resolution and we have no effective head of state.

Casdon Wed 06-Jul-22 22:09:07

Hmm, can’t say I’m sympathetic Monica. I expect he’ll be popular on the Republican dinner circuit in the USA, and will no doubt write more books, including a memoir which will sell well.

RichmondPark Wed 06-Jul-22 22:06:54

Riverwalk

I hope he's not trying/hoping for a popular backlash... a sort of man of the red wall people being driven out by the metropolitan elite.

A Trumpian tactic.

Nadine Dorries is already peddling this lame schtick on Twitter. Posted at 9.28pm.

"The PM’s priority is to stabilise the government, set a clear direction for the country and continue to deliver on the promises he made and the British public voted for."

Jaxjacky Wed 06-Jul-22 22:06:01

Hé needs sectioning.

M0nica Wed 06-Jul-22 21:58:31

But can he afford to run them without the PM's salary. In fact, your link suggests that the move was for financial reasons. Nobody wanted to rent his flat and he could not afford his mortgage and the rent on the flat at No 10.

He is going to be another Tory ex PM like David Cameron, who has had very few well paid offered him since resigning. This is why Cameron got involved with that dodgy Australian fnancier. It was the only offer he received.

On the other hand Gerge Osborne has been much in demand, as has Blair, despite Iraq and have both made large fortunes. Gordon Brown could have done equally well, but he chose not to, deveouting hmself to charity and international social affairs

Callistemon21 Wed 06-Jul-22 21:56:26

I don't think even HM can - he thinks he's King of the World.

He is deluded.

Devorgilla Wed 06-Jul-22 21:51:31

I'm beginning to think only the Queen can get him out. Some commentators were saying all three requirements to implement that have been met. Go on Dizzie Miss Lizzie, go for the spectacular end to your reign.

Casdon Wed 06-Jul-22 21:50:36

M0nica

It has suddenly occurred to me why he is refusing to go - he needs the money!

Unlike Sunak, Javid, Zahawi, even Rees-Mogg, he didn't make a pile before he came into Parliament and with a wife and heavens knows how many children to support. He desperately needs every penny of the PM's salary. He also doesn't have any home to go to.

So if he goes, bang goes the money, he has got to support his many obligations out of an ordinary members of parliamets salary.

That or is waiting for one/some of the wealthy members to club together to offer him a sum of money so large that he cannot refuse it.

One thing he does have is a home to go to, Carrie and the children allegedly moved out of Downing Street a while ago to their Camberwell pad. He’s also got a country house.
londonnewsonline.co.uk/exclusive-boris-and-carrie-johnson-to-move-out-of-number-10-and-back-to-camberwell/

25Avalon Wed 06-Jul-22 21:45:13

No surprise.

Esspee Wed 06-Jul-22 21:42:08

It may have to end with a siege. How long could he hold out in no.10 if we refuse him food and booze?

M0nica Wed 06-Jul-22 21:35:06

Riverwalk, it wouldn't work. The Red Wall is crumbling.

He no longer has a following, in Parliament, in the constituencies, or in the wider public. Just look at the polls
yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Boris_Johnson?content=trackers

annsixty Wed 06-Jul-22 21:28:53

“Those who God seeks to destroy, he first makes mad” or something similar.

Callistemon21 Wed 06-Jul-22 21:28:06

RichmondPark

Riverwalk

I hope he's not trying/hoping for a popular backlash... a sort of man of the red wall people being driven out by the metropolitan elite.

A Trumpian tactic.

I think that's exactly what he's doing. When he was questioned earlier there was a lot of 'I don't want to talk about this. People are fed up with talking about this stuff. What ordinary people want is me getting on with the job.'

But that is like a stuck record now.

SunshineSally Wed 06-Jul-22 21:25:20

He’s sacked Michael Gove - who’s next.

Devorgilla Wed 06-Jul-22 21:22:53

It's Civil War in the Tory Party.

RichmondPark Wed 06-Jul-22 21:21:11

Riverwalk

I hope he's not trying/hoping for a popular backlash... a sort of man of the red wall people being driven out by the metropolitan elite.

A Trumpian tactic.

I think that's exactly what he's doing. When he was questioned earlier there was a lot of 'I don't want to talk about this. People are fed up with talking about this stuff. What ordinary people want is me getting on with the job.'

M0nica Wed 06-Jul-22 21:20:45

That was a dangerous thing to do. Gove is clever man with a devious mind, neither of which apply to Johnson, though he would like to think they do.

Devorgilla Wed 06-Jul-22 21:20:21

Bugs Bunny style 'This means War!'