Johnson must go immediately

Braverman ( must work out the correct spelling for her name), says we have to leave the ECHR to ‘protect ourselves’. This from a party that tried to illegally prorogue parliament and is now trying to break international law regarding N Ireland. And from a woman who used the Erasmus scheme to gain her law degree but then campaigned tirelessly to remove that opportunity from other people. My brain is well and truly hurting from making any sort of argument for any of them.

sharon103

Kandinsky

The people voted Boris in - why is it down to slippery MP’s to get rid of him?
How is that democracy? They only want him out so they can have his job, & people are cheering them on?
Nothing will change under Rishi or any of the other back stabbers.

Well said.
In my opinion, better the devil you know than the devil you don't.
Personally, I think this country will get worse.

The people of his constituency voted for him as an ordinary MP, probably because they remembered seeing him on TV and recognised his face as a "funny guy". They didn't choose him for Prime Minister, because in this country we don't vote for a PM, for that position we get the leader of the party currently in power.

It is the party that chooses their leader, so it is the party that replaces a leader they don't like. Not "the people"

sharon103

Kandinsky

The people voted Boris in - why is it down to slippery MP’s to get rid of him?
How is that democracy? They only want him out so they can have his job, & people are cheering them on?
Nothing will change under Rishi or any of the other back stabbers.

Well said.
In my opinion, better the devil you know than the devil you don't.
Personally, I think this country will get worse.

I’d agree with you there sharon103 it will get worse, because Boris’s chickens will keep coming home to roost for whoever takes over next. It’s not going to get better until we have a complete change of government - and they will have an uphill struggle for a good few years.

Kandinsky

The people voted Boris in - why is it down to slippery MP’s to get rid of him?
How is that democracy? They only want him out so they can have his job, & people are cheering them on?
Nothing will change under Rishi or any of the other back stabbers.

Well said.
In my opinion, better the devil you know than the devil you don't.
Personally, I think this country will get worse.

But why do we keep looking at these former members of a less than talented cabinet? ~They were picked , not because of talent, but because they supported Johnson . Look at the ones Johnson got rid of , Philip Hammond, Ken Clarke, D?avid Gaulke, Rory Stewart, Oliver Letwin,probably because Johnson knew he would not be able to manipulate them.
Let's look at those who were not in this third rate cabinet .

Hunt wanted to bring back fox hunting in 2019.

In book there are only 3 credible candidates, Truss, Hunt, and Sunak, maybe Javid as well.

The rest are opportunists with little attraction, one or two have been quite dodgy in their past careers.

And they’re trying to smear Rishi who might actually be the lesser of many evils.

MayBee70

Given that Johnson only supported vote leave on the toss of a coin I’m beginning to worry that the ERG ( the true rulers of this country) used him to gain a huge majority and are now going to put up one of their members ( most of the people standing are in the ERG) to push through some of their frightening right wing policies. Am I being paranoid?

No you aren’t.

I get slightly panicked when I listen to them.

Steve Baker - an evangelical Christian, doesn’t think god believes in democracy

Suella Braverman wants to leave the ECHR - we would be the only country to leave apart from Russia. And how can she square it with the GFA?

Kemi Badenoch - wants a micro- state with much lower tax and an axe to public spending. God knows what will happen to the NHS..

Patel - what can you say about a bully and a security risk? Although has she formally stood yet?

Others are subscribers like Javid and Mordaunt

Given that Johnson only supported vote leave on the toss of a coin I’m beginning to worry that the ERG ( the true rulers of this country) used him to gain a huge majority and are now going to put up one of their members ( most of the people standing are in the ERG) to push through some of their frightening right wing policies. Am I being paranoid?

Splendid piece in yesterday's Sunday Times my Mattew Syad in which he says "it is hypocritical for politicians to talk of restoring trust , after everything they did to justify wrongdoing. "Do they think we have forgotten that they are the very people who colluded with Johnson as he lied and broke laws;who defended the indefensible rather than safeguarding the public interest ?When Johnson was high in the polls and they could see on which side their electoral bread was buttered, they did everything they could to conceal and justify wrong doing "In that case why do many of those putting themselves forward in the race for P.M. think we are silly enough to think they are suitable. ? Surely we should be looking for someone who is not tarnished by having been in that cabinet ?

Yes, political spin on a proposed policy is very different than denying you were formally briefed about something, then saying oh yes I did know but I’d forgotten

It’s like when a newspaper prints a blatant lie on the front page and print a tiny apology buried under all the other news. I’ve never understood why one of the tabloids was able to have a front page headline saying that The Queen supported vote leave. I felt like one of my children who once asked my why someone had lied when ‘you always told me that people shouldn’t lie, mum’. I think parliament should be fact checked and lies should be corrected. And MP’s should be able to call fellow MP’s out for lying.

I think that perhaps what people are getting confused with when they say that all politicians lie is that all politicians spin, that is they try to put a gloss on their policies and actions, but most politicians do not lie.

When I say most politicians, I am including all parties.

So all politicians do not lie. A small minority do. Where it is known that a politician has knowingly lied to parliament or the country then in my view this should automatically exclude them from leadership.

Thanks MayBee for correcting the Trumpian facts. Curious how some Johnson supporters continue to believe his lies and bluster.
It’s dreadful that some dismiss his extraordinary talent for lying on the basis ‘all politicians lie’. Not like Johnson they dont

I think someone from the backbenches would be better. The cabinet have all covered up for him, lied for him, and supported him.

It's a bit late for them to be playing the truth and integrity card.?

Farzanah

Why on earth have so many MPs suddenly found their sense of integrity all of a sudden I wonder? This has been going on for months and most have supported Johnson.
All of the cabinet are tainted.

because they all want to be next in line for the trough....

sharon103

All politicians are liars. The difference is that Boris got caught out. Not surprising since the media have been on his back since day one.
Dominic Cummings who broke the rules had the newspapers calling him a liar and everything under the sun yet believe every accusation he's said about the P.M since.
A case of sour grapes and revenge.
People seem to forget we were the first in the world to have the covid vaccine. Something we wouldn't have had if were still in the European Union.
He worked bloody hard to achieve that as did many many others.
As always, people like to pick out the faults rather than the achievements.

Johnson did nothing to get that vaccine. Being in the EU would have made no difference to us being able to get and use that vaccine. All Johnson is good at is traipsing round the country with his ( paid for by us) photographer wearing hard hats and high vis vests.

Well said

All politicians are liars. The difference is that Boris got caught out. Not surprising since the media have been on his back since day one.
Dominic Cummings who broke the rules had the newspapers calling him a liar and everything under the sun yet believe every accusation he's said about the P.M since.
A case of sour grapes and revenge.
People seem to forget we were the first in the world to have the covid vaccine. Something we wouldn't have had if were still in the European Union.
He worked bloody hard to achieve that as did many many others.
As always, people like to pick out the faults rather than the achievements.

Poem by Brian Bilston - just to amuse in a very depressing post

How Much I Dislike the Daily Mail

I would rather
eat Quavers that are six week’s stale,
blow dry the hair of Gareth Bale,
listen to the songs of Jimmy Nail,
than read one page of the Daily Mail.

If I were bored
in a waiting room in Perivale,
on a twelve hour trip on British rail
or a world circumnavigational sail,
I would not read the Daily Mail.

I would happily read
the complete works of Peter Mayle,
the autobiography of Dan Quayle,
selected scripts from Emmerdale,
but I couldn’t ever read the Daily Mail.

Far better to
stand outside in a storm of hail,
be blown out to sea in a powerful gale
then swallowed by a humpback whale
than have to read the Daily Mail.

Even if
I were blind
and it was the only thing
in Braille,
I still would not read
the Daily Mail.

Whitewavemark2

Interesting comment

ALASTAIR CAMPBELL

Many politicians, spooks,diplomats and media abroad are shocked that this is not a bigger story in ?? where It happened. I was eventually proved right that the Nolan principles would do for Johnson. I now predict the KGB scandal will see him end up in jail

Let's hope.

katy1950

What a load of rubbish the only person damaging the country is dom Cummings it's amazing that every word he say is believed by the media yet 18mths ago he was branded a liar and a snake in the grass . Then there is partygate and beergate same thing completely different outcomes it stinks. The media have done a hatchet job on boris he's no saint but he puts Britain first which makes a refreshing change

Where have you been these last few months?

Beergate and partygate are not the same thing. Starmer, working in his constituency office with his colleagues had a beer and curry. That's all.

Johnson and his colleagues, sometimes without him, brought in loads of booze, held parties, sometimes with games and this resulted in fights and people throwing up and leaving their vomit and all their rubbish for the cleaners too deal with.

This is the not the same thing. It is however, entitled Tories in action.

Maybe one day the D Mail will change its tune (and pigs might fly) and where will you be then?

Johnson os PM until he stands down, if/when he does the Tory party will propose a replacement and Queen will accede to that replacement. No matter who is chosen there are going to be issues of bias, the party whips will not be able to manipulate any decisions because there is no one to be loyal to. I doubt anthing contentious will be changed, that will be left to the new PM to decide

sharon103

riete

he probably thinks we'll all forget he was ousted, like he thought we'd forget he attended so many parties and get-togethers whilst the rest of the country weren't even allowed to say farewell to their loved ones.

There were no vaccines at that time riete. Of course people weren't able to say farewell to loved one's for our own safety.
Turn the situation around.
If the rule had been that you for example could have gone to say farewell to someone, then you caught covid and died who would your family have blamed for letting you in? They would have blamed Boris. He couldn't win either way could he.

He could easily ‘win’, by following the rules and guidance like the rest of us did