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Johnson must go immediately

(194 Posts)
Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Jul-22 09:59:24

He can’t possibly stay as is being suggested until the autumn.

Far too much damage is being done, and surely the Tory party can’t trust him one inch!

MayBee70 Sun 10-Jul-22 18:10:56

I don’t think anyone is complaining about the rules. It’s just that he set the rules and then broke them.

sharon103 Sun 10-Jul-22 18:03:32

riete

he probably thinks we'll all forget he was ousted, like he thought we'd forget he attended so many parties and get-togethers whilst the rest of the country weren't even allowed to say farewell to their loved ones.

There were no vaccines at that time riete. Of course people weren't able to say farewell to loved one's for our own safety.
Turn the situation around.
If the rule had been that you for example could have gone to say farewell to someone, then you caught covid and died who would your family have blamed for letting you in? They would have blamed Boris. He couldn't win either way could he.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 10-Jul-22 17:04:34

Interesting comment

ALASTAIR CAMPBELL

Many politicians, spooks,diplomats and media abroad are shocked that this is not a bigger story in ?? where It happened. I was eventually proved right that the Nolan principles would do for Johnson. I now predict the KGB scandal will see him end up in jail

riete Sun 10-Jul-22 16:25:17

he probably thinks we'll all forget he was ousted, like he thought we'd forget he attended so many parties and get-togethers whilst the rest of the country weren't even allowed to say farewell to their loved ones.

MayBee70 Sun 10-Jul-22 16:23:19

They’re getting rid of him because he isn’t safe. That’s the whole point.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 10-Jul-22 16:22:02

Glorianny

Honestly it is easy enough to understand. If someone else becomes PM now and then doesn't become the leader of the Conservative party there is absolutely nothing that can be done if that person refuses to surrender the PM-ship in the Autumn. They can theoretically remain PM. The tradition of the leader of the largest party in the Commons becoming PM is just a tradition. Nothing is written down. Boris is the safer option.

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Whitewavemark2 Sun 10-Jul-22 16:21:29

Elegran

DaisyAnne

Grany

Still not a word from our head of state. It’s almost as if our nation’s affairs are of no concern to her.

We are all biased but it doesn't need to blind us to the truth.

Having a go at some in the position of 'monarch' for obeying the rules of constitutional monarchy is just petty.

When our official (still) Prime Minister officially tells our Head of State that he is resigning, she will officially accept his resignation. Until then what do you expect her to do?

I have read that it has been suggested that Buck House contacted No 10 just before Johnson thread in the towel.

Glorianny Sun 10-Jul-22 16:20:03

Honestly it is easy enough to understand. If someone else becomes PM now and then doesn't become the leader of the Conservative party there is absolutely nothing that can be done if that person refuses to surrender the PM-ship in the Autumn. They can theoretically remain PM. The tradition of the leader of the largest party in the Commons becoming PM is just a tradition. Nothing is written down. Boris is the safer option.

Elegran Sun 10-Jul-22 16:17:57

DaisyAnne

Grany

Still not a word from our head of state. It’s almost as if our nation’s affairs are of no concern to her.

We are all biased but it doesn't need to blind us to the truth.

Having a go at some in the position of 'monarch' for obeying the rules of constitutional monarchy is just petty.

When our official (still) Prime Minister officially tells our Head of State that he is resigning, she will officially accept his resignation. Until then what do you expect her to do?

MayBee70 Sun 10-Jul-22 16:16:28

They didn’t leave for bringing government into disrepute….

Saetana Sun 10-Jul-22 16:02:47

There is no reason for Boris not to stay until a new leader is chosen - it was what happened with Theresa May and David Cameron. We are almost at summer recess and I understand the 1922 Committee are planning to get a leader in place ready for the start of the Autumn session. Not much happens whilst parliament isn't sitting anyway. I detect an unpleasant vindictiveness in those who want to get Johnson out immediately - he has resigned, that should be enough.

Ramblingrose22 Sun 10-Jul-22 15:15:06

PS have read that Jacob R-M is suggesting that the candidates all want to "betray" Johnson's Brexit.
So it was OK for Johnson to rewrite parts of the Brexit agreement he signed but no-one else is allowed to!

Ramblingrose22 Sun 10-Jul-22 15:11:34

He should be chucked out immediately before he does any more damage.

I suppose a caretaker PM might be seen by the nuttiest Tories as some kind of traitor but as long as it's a person of integrity that will be fine.

Daftbag1 Sun 10-Jul-22 14:42:54

When BJ was in hospital with Covid, his deputy stepped up. I can't see why he can't do the same now?

In addition Raab, the Deputy, has no plans to take part in the leadership competition.

supergabs1960 Sun 10-Jul-22 14:23:39

I'd like to see Theresa May back as caretaker, then a general election

Saggi Sun 10-Jul-22 14:21:18

‘Boris’

Saggi Sun 10-Jul-22 14:21:00

No government!!? The civil service runs the country ….surely you knew that! Doesn’t matter who’s in power . The civil service will keep it going despite Noris!!

DaisyAnne Sun 10-Jul-22 13:19:16

The Horrible History of the Daily Mail

DaisyAnne Sun 10-Jul-22 13:15:54

Dinahmo

Why do the Tory donors wish to keep Johnson in place?

Is it because once they've given enough money they'll get a peerage?

Because they want to benefit from more cronyism?

Because they want the dismantling of our laws to continue?

Any other reasons?

We are talking about the paper that supported Hitler. Have they gone very far in their thinking since then? I'm not at all sure they have.

Iam64 Sun 10-Jul-22 13:14:05

If that’s your belief katy1950 , you’re obviously entitled to it
Your vote at the next election weighs as much as Voters who actually see what’s happening but hey ho, this is how the country ended up with the charlatan Johnson in charge. Dominic Cummings helped him with the lies then so why you think people, or the media, believe what Cummings (or Johnson) say now I can’t imagine

MayBee70 Sun 10-Jul-22 13:13:25

katy1950

What a load of rubbish the only person damaging the country is dom Cummings it's amazing that every word he say is believed by the media yet 18mths ago he was branded a liar and a snake in the grass . Then there is partygate and beergate same thing completely different outcomes it stinks. The media have done a hatchet job on boris he's no saint but he puts Britain first which makes a refreshing change

He puts Johnson first. Can you not see that? He really did have two articles written, leave and remain, because a fellow journalist on Sky News actually saw them. His decision was made for his personal ambition, nothing to do with the country.

katy1950 Sun 10-Jul-22 12:41:10

What a load of rubbish the only person damaging the country is dom Cummings it's amazing that every word he say is believed by the media yet 18mths ago he was branded a liar and a snake in the grass . Then there is partygate and beergate same thing completely different outcomes it stinks. The media have done a hatchet job on boris he's no saint but he puts Britain first which makes a refreshing change

Dinahmo Sun 10-Jul-22 12:29:09

Why do the Tory donors wish to keep Johnson in place?

Is it because once they've given enough money they'll get a peerage?

Because they want to benefit from more cronyism?

Because they want the dismantling of our laws to continue?

Any other reasons?

Mamie Sun 10-Jul-22 12:25:36

Daily Mail in wishful thinking mode DiamondLily.

grandtanteJE65 Sun 10-Jul-22 12:22:29

Glorianny

I do wonder what the red wall are thinking watching this. Westminster elite deciding things again? Boris was our bloke? In some ways it is exactly what they claim has always happened. The north being ignored and London deciding.

Not that it is relevant because it is typical "Moscow speak" but Putin has already said that Boris Johnson has got what he deserves and has been forced to resign for daring to oppose Russia,

Presumably this is just his usual waffle and not an admition that Russia or Russians have been bribing Johnson at any time during his administration.