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Johnson must go immediately

(194 Posts)
Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Jul-22 09:59:24

He can’t possibly stay as is being suggested until the autumn.

Far too much damage is being done, and surely the Tory party can’t trust him one inch!

MayBee70 Thu 07-Jul-22 12:22:40

I think the wallpaper should be cut up into small pieces and sold off, the money raised could be given to the poor.

DaisyAnne Thu 07-Jul-22 12:19:46

These are constitutionally tricky waters. There is no such post as caretaker prime minister: whoever is prime minister holds the full title and all its powers. The test ultimately is: who can command a majority in the House of Commons? Normally, that is the leader of the largest party, but now that leadership elections include party members outside parliament, these elections take longer than in the days when party leaders were chosen by MPs alone.

Source: Independent

MayBee70 Thu 07-Jul-22 12:17:29

James Cleverly as Minister for Education. What have our children done to deserve this. And are these new appointments legal? Will they, too get £420,000 if they only stay in the post for a few hours/days/weeks? What the hell is going on?

annodomini Thu 07-Jul-22 12:01:51

The adoring acolyte, Nadine is still there, holding his hand. So too is the vile PP who didn't quite resign but was one of the remnant of cabinet ministers who formed the deputation to advise him to go.Hedging her bets!

Niobe Thu 07-Jul-22 12:01:00

He really is showing himself to be the ‘Poundshop Trump’ .

DaisyAnne Thu 07-Jul-22 11:58:16

I'm not sure which rules you are referring to Grantanow. Could you point us in their direction, or is this an opinion? If it's an opinion, it's just nice to know.

Watching the News feeds, there seem to be many Conservatives who don't want him to stay as PM. I wonder if he will see it out if it stops him from doing what he wants.

Zonne Thu 07-Jul-22 11:55:16

He is genuinely out of control.

This is dreadful behaviour by Johnson and those who are now colluding with him against the will of his own party, let alone the country.

Farzanah Thu 07-Jul-22 11:52:03

He just appointed a new cabinet! Details just emerging.

Grantanow Thu 07-Jul-22 11:48:46

It's quite clear if Johnson resigned both as Leader and PM No. 10 could advise the Q to send for any senior Tory with the Party's support and ask him/her to form a government. But they would then be PM and that might subvert the Tories' rules about electing a new Leader who would then find the PM post already filled. Hence Johnson stays until the Tories elect a new Leader. But it leaves BoJo with time on his hands to mess up even more. I hear laughter from Europe, the US, Beijing and Moscow!

DaisyAnne Thu 07-Jul-22 11:48:01

Grany

Still not a word from our head of state. It’s almost as if our nation’s affairs are of no concern to her.

We are all biased but it doesn't need to blind us to the truth.

Having a go at some in the position of 'monarch' for obeying the rules of constitutional monarchy is just petty.

DaisyAnne Thu 07-Jul-22 11:35:19

Whitewavemark2

I thought that the Queen invited Alex Douglas- Hume to be PM.

That was before the system the Conservative Party have now WWM. The men in gray suits decided and then let her know.

I just don't know if he can stop plotting if he is allowed to be caretaker and it seems many Conservative MPs don't either.

MayBee70 Thu 07-Jul-22 11:13:18

Rupa Huq asked the question…

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Jul-22 11:09:18

Yes brought up in parliament

MayBee70 Thu 07-Jul-22 11:04:48

MaizieD

If that includes PPS's then that's at least 53 (I think) x £400+k!

Is that plus the 3 months pay they get?

(are you sure that's the right figure, Wwmk2? £400grand? It sounds a bit excessive.)

Just asked DH and he says it’s £420,000. Just been discussed in parliament….

MaizieD Thu 07-Jul-22 10:57:41

If that includes PPS's then that's at least 53 (I think) x £400+k!

Is that plus the 3 months pay they get?

(are you sure that's the right figure, Wwmk2? £400grand? It sounds a bit excessive.)

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Jul-22 10:53:10

Blimey failing ex-ministers get £400+k severance pay!

Strewth!

MaizieD Thu 07-Jul-22 10:48:12

growstuff

Truss is cutting short a visit. Is she going to be shoe-horned in as next leader (temporarily)? hmm

I think that Zahawi has an eye on that job...

welbeck Thu 07-Jul-22 10:47:20

Grany

Still not a word from our head of state. It’s almost as if our nation’s affairs are of no concern to her.

i think that's a silly comment.
we live in a constitutional monarchy.
she cannot would not just say whatever she might be thinking as we on here can do, as we have no further responsibility in the matter.
we can natter and chatter. she does not.
she will make an appropriate statement at the right moment.
i for one am glad, relieved at this juncture, that we do not have a president johnson at the top of the tree.
usa had enough problems with their own one who wouldn't face reality, honour the democratic process.
if someone like that gets to the top, it can cause such reputational damage to the country, as it has here, let alone how as always during unsettled period, it's the little people who suffer most.

MaizieD Thu 07-Jul-22 10:46:30

You might find this thread, by a senior fellow of the Institute for Government, helpful:

twitter.com/cath_haddon/status/1544974582196703233

Basically, she says that the tories could propose an interim caretaker PM to the Queen, who could appoint on the basis that their choice has the backing of the Party.

I've seen Theresa May being proposed as caretaker.

Grany Thu 07-Jul-22 10:46:19

Billions of pounds

Grany Thu 07-Jul-22 10:45:46

When he was giving his mate contracts of millions of pounds for failed PPE

Grany Thu 07-Jul-22 10:44:53

Whitewavemark2

Grany

Still not a word from our head of state. It’s almost as if our nation’s affairs are of no concern to her.

What do you expect her to say?

She should have told him when much earlier on that he should resign as other Heads of State would have But she can only do what PM asks so is powerless and pointless

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Jul-22 10:44:25

Farzanah

Why on earth have so many MPs suddenly found their sense of integrity all of a sudden I wonder? This has been going on for months and most have supported Johnson.
All of the cabinet are tainted.

Yes

MayBee70 Thu 07-Jul-22 10:43:51

He was only in it for the glory and the perks. They must be be stripped from him immediately. He never had any desire to serve this country: only himself.

growstuff Thu 07-Jul-22 10:43:46

Truss is cutting short a visit. Is she going to be shoe-horned in as next leader (temporarily)? hmm