So the Final 2 - Liz and Rishi

My post was actually tongue in cheek, I hope Liz Truss becomes PM.

Dickens

Prentice

Mr Johnson will go, he has said so and really has had no choice but to resign, and has written a letter to that effect.
He has said goodbye in Parliament too.
It would be a conspiracy theory to believe that he will stay in Number 10.
The new PM will be announced early in September.

It would be a conspiracy theory to believe that he will stay in Number 10.
The new PM will be announced early in September.

So those MPs who are backing a move to get Johnson onto the Ballot paper, and whose comments have been reported in the media, are a figment of the imagination?

Which MPs and what is the evidence that it would happen?
No, it is the rumour mill at work.
Even if his name appeared on the ballot papers, and really, really cannot believe that, he stands no chance at all of being chosen.
It is a done deal as they say, that he is leaving office.

Maudi

Wouldn't it be a turn up for the book Boris back by overwhelming support on September 5th.

Have you been reading Noddy needs a Truss in Toytown again?

Also, that 'overwhelming support' would be amongst the 0.2% of the public who are members of the Conservative party.

It's possible to get a vote in the leadership election by joining the Conservative party. Anyone can do this anywhere in the world even if they are not eligible to vote in the UK.

So that 'overwhelming support' could come from.......well, who knows where and with who knows what agenda?

www.thenational.scot/news/20301957.tory-membership-loophole-see-next-prime-minister-decided-non-british-citizens/

It is all very Trumpian.

Wouldn't it be a turn up for the book Boris back by overwhelming support on September 5th.

Johnson may be forced to go.

If the Standards Committee decide that he mislead Parliament over the Downing Street parties and suspend him for 10 days his constituents would be able to call for a by election. If he loses the by election he will no longer be an MP.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/21/boris-johnson-could-face-byelection-if-inquiry-finds-he-misled-mps-over-partygate

Prentice

Mr Johnson will go, he has said so and really has had no choice but to resign, and has written a letter to that effect.
He has said goodbye in Parliament too.
It would be a conspiracy theory to believe that he will stay in Number 10.
The new PM will be announced early in September.

It would be a conspiracy theory to believe that he will stay in Number 10.
The new PM will be announced early in September.

So those MPs who are backing a move to get Johnson onto the Ballot paper, and whose comments have been reported in the media, are a figment of the imagination?

Mr Johnson will go, he has said so and really has had no choice but to resign, and has written a letter to that effect.
He has said goodbye in Parliament too.
It would be a conspiracy theory to believe that he will stay in Number 10.
The new PM will be announced early in September.

Boris Johnson hasn’t even stepped down yet, I see no evidence that he’s planning to. There’s no such thing as a ‘caretaker Prime Minister’, we don’t need one. We have a deputy PM for temporary absences, who seems to have managed perfectly well while the PM had Covid, and if the government isn’t stable, we need a General Election.

Whitewavemark2

Don’t be too complacent!

Rory Stewart
@RoryStewartUK

From the US to Pakistan former leaders are trying to defy political gravity - and whip up forces inside and outside their old parties - to force their way back into office. There is every chance Boris Johnson may think of trying to do the same…

Maybe one of the first laws to pass should be like that of the USA, a President should be someone thé was born in the country. They can have Boris.

The point is we are not as green as we think, because products are manufactured overseas instead of the UK. Not just China even German products using coal fired power stations, we buy them without a thought.

I can't remember where I read it but the net zero carbon offset is one of the biggest mistakes in tackling Global warming on the grounds that it often just pushes things to somewhere else. So whilst pointing a finger at China is not necessarily helpful, our strategy might well be worth rethinking.

vegansrock

Just pointing the finger at China isn’t an excuse to do nothing

My thoughts too!

Just pointing the finger at China isn’t an excuse to do nothing

vegansrock

Neither candidate seems worried about the climate crisis, the death of species, or appalling state of the waterways in the U.K. just banging on about tax cuts. The planet will be frazzled in and many parts uninhabitable in the not too distance future. Yet these so called leaders don’t care.

Looking at the how much climate change levies are costing us each year, it’s more than I expected.

In 2019, the CCC estimated that the total costs of getting to net zero would be £50bn per year, less than 1% of projected GDP over that period. The Treasury and the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS) put the figure at £70bn per year, or over £1 trillion by 2050

Having reached net zero in the UK is that going to stop climate change, NOT A CHANCE, because we are exporting our pollution to China and other countries.

Don’t be too complacent!

Rory Stewart
@RoryStewartUK

From the US to Pakistan former leaders are trying to defy political gravity - and whip up forces inside and outside their old parties - to force their way back into office. There is every chance Boris Johnson may think of trying to do the same…

Has anyone else read that Truss wants Coffey to be Home Secretary?

varian as a Remainer, was in the minority of family and friends..being a Europhile -
.worked in Europe 11yrs from the early 80s, their standard of living amazed me and the respect for police and other authority figures..I feel very sad at where this country is heading?

Brexit: More Britons now say UK was wrong to quit the EU

Sarah Olney, Liberal Democrat business spokeswoman and MP for Richmond, said: “The Government’s botched trade deals have drowned our businesses in red tape and increased costs for families.

“Ministers should be working flat out to get our economy moving again.”

Britain’s former Brexit negotiator Lord Frost has admitted quitting the EU may have hit the UK’s goods exports by five per cent but he believes that the country’s “performance is continuing to improve, and this figure may well change further as the figures normalise”.

He also doubts that quitting the EU will have any “measurable impact on our GDP one way or another”.

Patrick English, associate director of political and social research at YouGov, stressed that there had not been any dramatic shift in the country’s view on Brexit over the years.

He said: “Between YouGov’s first polling on this issue and the figures today, there has been only around a 6-point increase in the percentage of people who think Brexit was the ‘wrong’ decision, and a slightly larger, but still small, decrease in the percentage of people who think it was ‘right’.”

He added: “A large proportion of the widening in the wrong vs right gap can be attributed to generational replacement alone, with Brexit supporters far likely to be older and those who supported Remain much younger.

“The relative stability of attitudes reflects how deep the Brexit divide entrenched itself within British politics and public opinion, evolving to become much more of a political identity than a policy preference.”

The Treasury has been largely silent on the impact of Brexit and the Bank of England has been accused of being reluctant to talk about it to avoid upsetting the Government.

But a recent report by The Resolution Foundation, in collaboration with the London School of Economics, warned that Brexit will hit workers’ real wages by around 470-a-year, compared to what it would have been, and damage Britain’s competitiveness.

Another report, by the Centre for European Reform, estimated that the UK was being hit with a £31 billion blow to GDP from Brexit in the fourth quarter of 2021.

Meanwhile, the Government’s bid to effectively tear up parts of the Northern Ireland Protocol cleared its first Commons hurdle, with no Tory MPs voting against it despite warnings that the plans are illegal.

MPs voted 295 to 221, majority 74, to give the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill a Second Reading, which clears the way for it to undergo detailed scrutiny in the coming weeks.

Voting lists showed that dozens of Conservative MPs abstained, joining former Prime Minister Theresa May, who made clear she would not support the legislation as she warned it would “diminish” the UK’s global standing and delivered a withering assessment of its legality and impact.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-britons-uk-eu-wrong-leave-polls-analysis-b1008770.html

The people behind Brexit always wanted it because it as an unworkable disaster it would bring the country to its knees. They wanted it because it would remove the checks and balances on our government and those that protect the ordinary person and allow the greedy, rich and powerful to sweep in and take what they want under the banner of saving us from economic ruin.

One of my favourite political bloggers nails it for me today, the elephant in the room:

Whilst the candidates chunter on about how soon to cut taxes, and vie with each other to persuade the airless echo chamber of the decrepit party membership which of them is the most ‘Thatcherite’, and as Johnson sees out his last few weeks of malevolent indolence, the realities of Brexit are ignored as if they are too boring, or simply settled. The truth is that Brexit is just too big for either of the would-be leaders, or the ones who they defeated in the earlier rounds, to face up to. Too big for the Labour leadership, for that matter (on which, more is planned to come in next week’s post). We’ve become a country which is too scared of itself to talk about what it’s doing to itself.

But Brexit won’t go away. It may indeed be tedious, it may be too frightening to discuss, but it is very far from settled. Whoever becomes the next Prime Minister will be doing so just as, to quote Rafael Behr again, but this time from his recent Prospect essay, “the peak of the [Brexit] illusion has faded” and “the great illusionist [Johnson] has been unmasked”. Yet observing the leadership contest, Annette Dittert, in her New Statesman essay, concludes that “after having banged their heads into the brick wall of Brexit reality, the new Tory strategy seems to be to just keep on banging, only this time with a longer run-up”. And, indeed, that is exactly what the Brexit Ultras are currently demanding.

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2022/

I hope Liz gets it, and I hope she chooses Kemi Badenock as her Deputy. If this is only for two years at least give the girls a chance. They might just surprise us. Liz might manage to haul back a bit of credence to the Tories. If Sunak gets in, then the party is finished for good, in my opinion.

Lupin

Just to be sure, I looked on line to see where Rishi Sunak's wealth came from and see no reason to change my views. He has had many advantages, but they haven't stopped him from making his own money and becoming a rich man in his own right. He is the target for questions about his financial conduct from the opposition and journalists but. so far, nothing has stuck.
There is a choice between two politicians at the moment. I have gone with my head. ( Which I have now, for the first time, laid on the chopping block of a Gransnet political thread )

I agree that he is the PM that would be the best one for the country given that there isn’t going to be an election.He is also better morally than most of them. Even Truss is an adulterer. I think, with his fine, he just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. But Johnson and the ERG want Truss because they don’t want what’s best for the country, so that’s where we’re heading.