So the Final 2 - Liz and Rishi

Grandmama

I lost interest when Kemi Badenoch was voted out. She hadn't prepared months in advance, apparently it was a last minute decision round the kitchen table, no huge teams etc behind her like Truss and Sunak - and look how well she did. She came out on top in my opinion on the ITV debate. Truss or Sunak - I despair.

If you believe that you’ll believe anything.

DaisyAnne

GrannyRose15

Is there anyone on here prepared to give a new prime minister a chance?

Do we have a choice?

I’d quite like a totally new government…..

GrannyRose15

Is there anyone on here prepared to give a new prime minister a chance?

Do we have a choice?

Out of interest, how many people actually look up an MP’s voting record?

GrannyRose15

Is there anyone on here prepared to give a new prime minister a chance?

If you mean the current two contenders, then my answer has to be 'No'. Looking at their records in office and their beliefs, and the fact that they will be obliged to conciliate the ERG faction to get any legislation passed, I can't see either of them doing the country any good.

GrannyRose15

Is there anyone on here prepared to give a new prime minister a chance?

Not when all they talk about is whether to increase or reduce taxes and seem oblivious to what’s facing the people who vote for them this winter.

A poll by YouGov of party members put Truss in the lead so far, with 62% to Sunak's 38%.

growstuff

Grandmama

I lost interest when Kemi Badenoch was voted out. She hadn't prepared months in advance, apparently it was a last minute decision round the kitchen table, no huge teams etc behind her like Truss and Sunak - and look how well she did. She came out on top in my opinion on the ITV debate. Truss or Sunak - I despair.

That's strange! It's been obvious to her constituents since she was selected that she wanted the top job. She's been coming out with the same little anecdotes for years and had Michael Gove supporting her. She's also part of a clique centred on the Spectator and the London Assembly.

Part of her carefully cultivated public persona, perhaps?

Is there anyone on here prepared to give a new prime minister a chance?

"It's not about what is the right course to follow for the benefit of the nation as a whole, or the wellbeing of its citizens, or dealing with any of the issues facing millions of people... it's about one thing and one thing only, the survival of the Tory party. They want Johnson on the ballot simply because he has voter-appeal and might keep them in power."

How on earth do you expect any party to deal with these issues if they are not in government?

Grandmama

I lost interest when Kemi Badenoch was voted out. She hadn't prepared months in advance, apparently it was a last minute decision round the kitchen table, no huge teams etc behind her like Truss and Sunak - and look how well she did. She came out on top in my opinion on the ITV debate. Truss or Sunak - I despair.

That's strange! It's been obvious to her constituents since she was selected that she wanted the top job. She's been coming out with the same little anecdotes for years and had Michael Gove supporting her. She's also part of a clique centred on the Spectator and the London Assembly.

I lost interest when Kemi Badenoch was voted out. She hadn't prepared months in advance, apparently it was a last minute decision round the kitchen table, no huge teams etc behind her like Truss and Sunak - and look how well she did. She came out on top in my opinion on the ITV debate. Truss or Sunak - I despair.

Richard Ratcliffe's view of Liz Truss

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/21/liz-truss-brought-home-wife-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-then-failed-her

For a long time now I have not bought any Danish, or any other non U.K. pork or bacon. Any other meat I buy - not that we eat nearly so much any more - is always U.K. reared, higher welfare.

I won’t buy Danish butter either. Denmark is notorious for factory farming. I often wonder why so many people are keen to support Danish farmers, rather than our own.

Spanish tomatoes?
Sprayed with pesticides

Animal welfare?
EU countries flout animal welfare laws.

Cynical, moi?
Of course I am!

What didn't we have to worry about?

I'm not that trusting abut food sources.
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But we didn’t have to worry about it before brexit, did we? Which I didn’t ask for.

Approximately 40% of beef produced in Australia is fed hormones in the very last month or so of its life
ie 60% is not

There is no reason whatsoever that hormone treated beef should enter the UK.

Supermarkets in Australia are selling beef which is not fed hormones and some have banned it altogether.

I do wish people would stop scaremongering about Australian food.

(I voted to remain too btw)

It’s going to go from £94 pm to over £200 and that’s probably before the next expected increase.

Ours for June is ? already Maybee and it's summer.

I think that, over the next year or so, most people will just be buying the cheapest food they can, regardless of how safe it is or how the animal was reared. Having just seen how my energy bill is going to increase when my fixed rate comes to an end I’m looking to see how I can cut back on spending.

There is a difference between 'cruelty free' food and 'safe' food.

Yes, Whitewave, there were threads about it fairly recently.
I don't just know about it from GN, of course.

Callistemon21

Maudi

I only buy British free range chicken and eggs.

So do we but unfortunately poor farming practices in egg production are polluting the River Wye and the river s dying.

Wouldn’t happen if the government tightened the law and dished out higher penalties.

The Enviroment Agency are crying out to be allowed greater powers of enforcement, but nothing forthcoming from this shower of a government.

Oh No, you can never be totally sure. Eating out? Probably best to avoid meat , lunch at a friend's house, who knows? Don't think US in laws are particularly ethical! Australian cousins are but I think they do lapse. They certainly wouldn't eat foi gras, or Veal, or have a feathers and down duvet without scrutiny.