So the Final 2 - Liz and Rishi

I don’t believe that the Tory party has ever been in the business of improving people’s lives, but maintaining the status quo.

The tribute act to Thatcher, and Sunak are no exception by the policies they are proposing which will only increase the huge disparity between the richer and poorer in society.
The former will not worry how to heat their homes, feed their children, this winter or have long waits for medical treatment.

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Ben Wallace has said today that he is supporting Liz Truss, so I guess that's that then. Oh dear.

And now Tom Tugendhat. And there was me thinking that some of them were decent people ( although I realised he wasn’t when I checked his voting record). They’re all after cabinet positions aren’t they.

It's what Johnson called "the Herd"

Yes MayBee voting record in the past is the best predictor of future behaviour.

He was the only one that said Johnson was a liar. And yet he’s supporting the person who didn’t resign and won’t say anything against Johnson. I’m appalled.

Surely Nadine Dorries epitomises the lowest common denominator populist politician. She is unbelievably crass and stupid.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/31/nadine-dorries-disturbing-tweets-on-rishi-sunak-condemned-by-tory-mps

Completely disgusted!

I hope that has lost Liz Truss, who supported Johnson throughout, a lot of points in the popularity polls.

At least Rishi Sunak recognized Johnson had to go. At least he hasn't rubbished his upbringing.

Who was it in Gransnet who coined "the lesser of two weevils"? By a very long way, Rishi Sunak is definitely the lesser.

I agree with you Ailidh - Sunak the lesser of 2 evils

He is. And even though I want a Labour government I still want what’s best for the country. Alas that’s the last thing that the current government thinks about.

I know but is it not short term negative for long term positive. I suppose theres the risk she could declare war on Russia or something.

That is my biggest concern Galaxy.

Worse case scenario, she could appoint Nadine Dorries as Foreign Secretary (to be fair, she does live on another planet), and Jacob Smogg as Home Secretary. Maybe Grant Shapps as Chancellor?

Who was it in Gransnet who coined "the lesser of two weevils"

I think it's nicked from Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey/Maturin series. It might even be an ancient Naval joke... ?

Please don't give me nightmares with your Cabinet predictions, Casdon.

MaizieD

^Who was it in Gransnet who coined "the lesser of two weevils"^

I think it's nicked from Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey/Maturin series. It might even be an ancient Naval joke... ?

Thank you! I hadn't heard of him, and I think I would enjoy his books ?

Sunak has now promised a 20% tax cut by the end of the next parliament (2029.
I simply don’t believe it will happen in the unlike event that the Tories win the next GE.

How does he know what shape we will be in economically by 2029?

Support for a position in Cabinet; surely that's what is behind the sudden rush .Either that or the knowledge that Truss wont be there long. I get more and more cynical with these what's in it for me politicians.

I’m half-heartedly keeping up with some of the hustings, and the campaign pledges in between, and both candidates sound increasingly preposterous. I can’t fathom how anyone is taking their pie-crust (made to be broken) pledges, and random ideas described as policy, seriously.

We have to have one of them, out of the two it would be Truss. I didn't like what Rishi did, it was underhand. Most people now think the same. However I'm not expecting a lot. The whole of Europe is in crisis, Germany will probably have rationing before Christmas. We are luckier than most.

Truss appears to have shelved the levelling up idea.

Civil servants will be paid less in future for doing the same job in the north and other more deprived areas to better reflect the wage market.

So Liz Truss is becoming increasingly demented as this contest goes on... and on.... and on ...

She wants to reduce the civil service wages bill by £11billion, when in fact, the total civil service wages bill is only £9billion...

She wants to get rid of 2,400 pieces of EU legislation by 2023, while cutting the civil service who will deal with this, completely to the bone (or abolishing it altogether if her figures are correct).

Oh, and civil servants who are in the SE are exempt from all this. I think this is her idea of levelling up.

Is there some malign being out in the ether there who is orchestrating this to see just how utterly stupid the British public are in their acceptance of liars and headbangers as their leaders?

She's decided to IGNORE Nicola Sturgeon who is "just an attention seeker" tell that to the people who have VOTED Ms Sturgeon into power over and over again ,we who vote SNP do it for our country ,our children and GC.
If Scotland is in the dire state Liz Truss believes then maybe should realise that its that way because of over 300 years of WM rule ...we've only had a tiny bit of control over a very short time and have done remarkable things within A FIXED BUDGET that is a fraction of our income, thats the income and the recources that WM uses to keep them from bankruptcy .
If she ignores democracy here she may find support for Indy will soar ,even unionists in Scotland believe in democracy and wont see it trashed by Truss.Independence is normal .Independence is right and needed NOW .

oops - I just started a thread about this!

I have been thinking of all the candidates who put themselves forward in the Conservative Leadership race.

In all probability whoever wins will be ousted when (if) the Conservatives lose the next GE. This could pave the way for more experienced MP’s to stand in the next Leadership Battle.

Looking at long term strategy as opposed to short term desperation, could this have been the grandees of the Party plan all along?