So the Final 2 - Liz and Rishi

Whitewavemark2

They never change however it is worded

[Meme: ‘If the Welsh are striking over hunger, we must fill their bellies with lead’]

When I Googled this quote to check it, I found no evidence that Churchill said this, and several claims that it is a fake quote. I also found this article from a Welsh newspaper about the sale of a 1910 memo by Churchill about the Tonypandy rioters.

‘in response to suggestions he was ready to let troops open fire… Churchill wrote: “My dear Gardiner,/ Give no credence to such rubbish. I do not anticipate any shooting and have taken some responsibility to that end’.
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/churchill-memo-tonypandy-riots-up-6677339

The BBC also reported the memo sale.
Winston Churchill's Tonypandy riots memo up for auction www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-26601738

Truss on Johnson

Truss says she doesn’t think Johnson deserved to be kicked out by colleagues. “He made mistakes but I didn’t think the mistakes he made were sufficient that the Conservative Party should have rejected him”

This sort of mistake?

Yvette Cooper
@YvetteCooperMP

“As far as I am aware, no Government business was discussed.”

As far as I am aware.

Boris Johnson’s account today of meeting Alexander Lebedev.

Why is he not sure?

He was Foreign Secretary. He met an KGB agent during the Skripal crisis.

“Johnson was observed at Perugia airport after meeting KGB Alexander Lebedev at his palace party dishevelled and unable to walk in a straight line.”

I have absolutely no doubt that the entire event was recorded by the KGB. Neither do I have any doubt that there were drugs and alcohol in use.
Johnson arrived with NATO documents and his mobile

Let that sink in.

DiamondLily

There was a piece in one of the papers, last week, by an experienced political commentator who said that both Starmer and Johnson want Truss to win.

They both think that Truss will implode within a year, at which point there would have to be a GE, and if the Tories fail, then there would have to be a leadership challenge - Tory leaders usually go, after any election defeat.?

And Johnson believes he will be back.

Companies.

That should reference Rory Stuart and AC podcast.

Sunak

Charter City - run by a right wing institute. So have complete governance over the geographical area.

No labour regs. No planning regs.

Basically will take large company’s out of government control..

Sunak is apparently being being guided by his FiL

Sunak is very right wing.

Westminster Voting Intention (Red Wall):

LAB: 45% (-1)
CON: 34% (+2)
LDM: 10% (=)
GRN: 5% (+1)
REF: 3% (-4)

Via @RedfieldWilton
, On 25-26 July,
Changes w/ 11 July.

Private Eye's latest cover just about sums up the leadership debates

both, not 'with'. Where does autocorrect get its ideas from? ?

Comments like this (with Truss's and Churchill's) are so dehumanising. How can people support this way of thinking, or the policies that the attitude underpins? To wilfully vote for someone who would remove the protection of law from most of the country (depending on her definition of 'workers', which is interesting in itself) is something I just can't imagine considering.

They never change however it is worded

IMO, not IMP!

Yes, she tried to distance herself from that, but it is a disgraceful attitude to have towards the people she wants to lead.

Quite apart from being antagonistic, it suggests that 'workers' are a class apart (although from what is not really clear), and that they/we should work harder than we are doing already. Given the number of people who work long hours and still rely on food banks, that is several steps beyond insulting.

For a potential PM to say that any group in society should not be protected by law should, IMP, preclude them from standing. That the law should apply to all citizens seems a tricky concept for many Tory politicians to grasp, but removing protection from one group is even worse than removing a need to comply from another.

Just listening to James O’Brian.

He reminded the listener of the dismal text written by amongst others Truss and Patel which stated the British worker are the laziest shirkers in the entire world and should not be protected by law.

That is why I vote labour - I can never identify with people like that.

If you are a hard-working individual attaining a comfortable life, you will be considered successful. Unless of course your ideology goes against the grain of free-market, libertarian Capitalism. But God help you if you are from a poor working class background with left-leaning principles... you'll then become a Champagne Socialist. Especially if you accept an invitation to the Opera...

Precisely. Good analysis, Dickens.

The tory myth rather breaks down when it comes to individuals who work very hard indeed but still can't earn enough to keep themselves and their families in any comfort. I have always seen the LP as wanting a decent life for everyone, regardless of whether or not they achieve this elusive, poorly defined 'success'. I think it still does, regardless of what those on 'the left' might say.

It is a very important ideology for Tories that however humble one’s background, anyone can succeed with hard work and determination. Unfortunate for several years this has no longer been the case and is indeed a modern myth.

I believe it is a myth, though the idea of "success" in Tory-terms can be debated.

If you are a hard-working individual attaining a comfortable life, you will be considered successful. Unless of course your ideology goes against the grain of free-market, libertarian Capitalism. But God help you if you are from a poor working class background with left-leaning principles... you'll then become a Champagne Socialist. Especially if you accept an invitation to the Opera...

"If we want to change that status quo, we might have to work outside of those rules because the legal pathways available to us have been structured precisely to make sure we don't make any substantial change." (Tim DeChristopher)

Whoever wins this leadership contest will have an awful two years.It’s just the times we are living through.
It seems obvious that Labour will win the next election, people will think it’s time for a change anyway.Has any political party here won four terms?
Those who denigrate Sir Keir should look hard at themselves, do they want Labour back in power ? Am talking of Labour voters.
As for future televised debates, allow all to sit down.

Quite honestly, even the most skilful politician will be hard pressed with all the problems facing the U.K.

Truss intends to make it even worse by challenging the very people on whom they relied on throughout the pandemic.

What a tool!

There was a piece in one of the papers, last week, by an experienced political commentator who said that both Starmer and Johnson want Truss to win.

They both think that Truss will implode within a year, at which point there would have to be a GE, and if the Tories fail, then there would have to be a leadership challenge - Tory leaders usually go, after any election defeat.?

MawtheMerrier

Prentice

What I am wondering is which contender would Sir Keir Starmer like to deal with best?
I think he would prefer Rishi Starmer. I cannot see him wanting to cross swords with a woman with such relish.
Also I think that Liz Truss is more of a worry for the Labour Party, as she seems to be saying things that appeal to the red wall voters.

Hmm, Rishi Starmer might just unite the country?
Or is that wishful thinking on your part Prentice ?
I think Truss is a dead cert to hand the country to the Opposition on a plate at the next GE
That is if there is any country left to hand over.

MawThe Merrier I do not understand your comments.Who said that Rishi Sunak would unite the country?

Look again Prentice
You referred to Rishi Starmer

MawtheMerrier

Among the various bons mots coming out of this so far, I have liked two cheeks of the same arse, Truss would be out of her depth in a bird bath and now today determining the lesser of two weevils

? and it's not 05:00 yet!

All bons mots but "the lesser of two weevils" absolutely wins the prize!! ? to whoever said it (i can't findthe post )

Well, what a shocking thing to happen tonight, that poor presenter who fainted, they do say on tv that she is alright, which is good.
MawThe Merrier I do not understand your comments.Who said that Rishi Sunak would unite the country?
I am a Labour supporter and wish Sir Keir Starmer to head the next government when we have an election.
I did wonder if he would prefer Sunak to win as I think Liz Truss is more likely to attract votes in the future.

HousePlantQueen

My favourite is "two cheeks of the same arse"

That made me laugh too. I will be stealing that line, for sure .

Ffa

Has Beans?