Port of Dover

JaneJudge

there have been posts on here saying there should be restrictions on who can vote and I'm not the only one who finds that vulgar. You either believe in democracy or you don't and democracy means the lower classes can vote (as cn women, the disabled etc young and old) Our votes were hard fought for and just because someone has voted in a way I disagree with, it doesn't mean I think they are stupid (manipulated maybe but not stupid)

But there have been problems with the crossings for years, it was inevitable this would happen with tighter restrictions and swathes of people going on holiday via tunnel or ferry. I suppose they could always reopen the sink* ports but are there enough ferries?

*spelling in cultural reference #cinque

Good post, JaneJudge

there have been posts on here saying there should be restrictions on who can vote and I'm not the only one who finds that vulgar. You either believe in democracy or you don't

Yes, I've seen posts like that too - I find it quite incredible that anyone should think that, let alone post it!

Whitewavemark2

I live in a remain voting area, and we had masses of European workers.

Miss them a lot!

I didn’t say all Europeans have left.

I said “we miss them a lot”

To clarify - every single restaurant, pub, hotel, etc have boards outside their venue advertising for staff.
Every restaurant seems to struggle through lack of staff. In fact the rather smart hotel we frequent for food spa etc has cut down availability rather than give a poorer service.

That is what I meant.

A little off point - I wonder where all those stuck in the hours long queues actually go to the toilet?

Whitewavemark2

I live in a remain voting area, and we had masses of European workers.

Miss them a lot!

We are off to an Italian restaurant, owned by Albanians staffed by folks from Madeira, Italy and France.

We still have Polish, Cypriot and many other European customers through our Trade Counter every single day.

It’s just untrue to say all EU Nationals have left the U.K.

I live in a remain voting area, and we had masses of European workers.

Miss them a lot!

I think maybe the problem is that the Leavers think we are living in the past and want to turn back the clock. I don't think that's the case. I expect everyone knows that we have left and won't be going back in for the foreseeable.

But most sensible people realise that it was a disastrous event in our history and no amount of patriotic exhortations to all pull together for the good of the nation are going to make it better. There won't be progress about Brexit because Brexit is backward looking and catastrophic. We've already got the tangible evidence of separating us from the EU. Haven't you noticed?

I see the Daily Mail now has a headline blaming the French for demanding passport stamping.
There are no words.

Its years since I’ve been to the tropical south that includes Salford, but I am absolutely sure that Urmstongran is correct and there was exploitation of immigrant workers. Low pay, overcrowded accommodation, locals priced out of the market, etc. And that needs to be fixed

Thank you volver for acknowledging that my anecdotal post was in fact truthful.

As you say the knee jerk reaction went the way it did. I think it was a case of “no-one’s listening to us so f**k the lot of them - Westminster (was Blair’s open door policy so the Red Wall turned against Labour) and Brussels”.

It’s done now. It won’t be revoked on our lifetimes on here. As for the future who knows?

But as Prentice said we need to accept it and move on now. It would be good to hear of progress being made about Brexit from Truss (or Sunak). I think they both realise they have 18 months to demonstrate tangible evidence of separating us from the EU.

The insults are stronger when the argument is weak!

The Remain argument is backed by evidence, data and real life current experience unfolding every day. It isn't weak.

Urmston, it's silly to expect the French to pay for Brexit. If Brexit had never been then travellers would not need passports or French passport inspectors.

So lets think about it this way.

Its years since I’ve been to the tropical south that includes Salford, but I am absolutely sure that Urmstongran is correct and there was exploitation of immigrant workers. Low pay, overcrowded accommodation, locals priced out of the market, etc. And that needs to be fixed. So what should we do?

1. Enforce the payment of proper salaries. Use whatever is available to us to prevent overcrowding, whether that’s local authority legislation or whatever. Treat the people who want to work here as…well…people I suppose. Recall the boys who went from here to Germany in the eighties to work in construction because the pay was better.

Or

2.Withdraw from the biggest trading bloc ever, and put an end to freedom of movement into and out of the UK, for workers, business and holidaymakers. Severely limit the workforce available to us. Remove all the benefits we have seen from 50 years membership of the EU in its various forms. Antagonise our nearest neighbours and behave like bad tempered children when we don’t get our own way.

Let me think….which one seems less "stupid"?

I imagine it's because the school holidays have just started and people want to get away. If they book two weeks holiday from work from a Saturday they get the benefit of both weekends at the end of their break. Will be interesting to see if the queues are as bad on weekdays or subsequent weekends. There were long lorry queues last Monday.

Dinahmo

Please can someone explain why it is necessary for thousands of people rushing off on holiday on the same day? Not all campsites or holiday rentals require bookings of a week's duration.

I can, it’s the traditional ‘works fortnight’, when lots of factories, builders etc. close for their annual break, coinciding with children finishing school for their summer holidays.

It is the start of the school holidays Dinahmo.
We always used to do it. The ferries were smaller in those days. ?

Please can someone explain why it is necessary for thousands of people rushing off on holiday on the same day? Not all campsites or holiday rentals require bookings of a week's duration.

I remember what a faff it was going to Europe, pre-EU. All the different money, all the border checks. How easy it all became. Now of course we have greater numbers travelling than then. How can people expect it to be the same as when we were in the EU?

Galaxy

To misquote Alan Johnson 'the working class have always been a disappointment to some people' . People voted in the referendum who hadnt voted in years. It might be more helpful to look at why that might have been rather than shouting at people for their vote. Many people think about politics for what is it? 7 minutes per week, yet those same people are making differences to people lives in a way that some politicians and people on the internet could only dream of. Just to be clear I am a remainer with an elderly parent from Europe, who at the time of the vote had lived in the UK for over 60 years and was not UK citizen, so it not as if Brexit had no impact on me. Jane's post said most of what I want to say to be honest.

Some people had never voted prior to the referendum. Some friends in Hampshire have worked for many years at the polling stations but prior to the referendum had never been asked what to with the forms. Also asked how the voters could be certain that their forms weren't destroyed.

The insults are stronger when the argument is weak!

Thank you to those of you who have taken the time to put across your point rationally without feeling the need to insult those that don’t share your views. Or, to resort to personal digs at people. Rants generally turn people off of listening to what may be a valid argument.

Are being working class and an intellectual mutually exclusive?

Official French response.

How nice for you Urmstongran. Have a nice chuckle.

You own 2 houses. Incidentally, so do I. If you don't realise that you are privileged, there's not much I can say. Many people don't even own one. Even the intellectual ones.

To misquote Alan Johnson 'the working class have always been a disappointment to some people' . People voted in the referendum who hadnt voted in years. It might be more helpful to look at why that might have been rather than shouting at people for their vote. Many people think about politics for what is it? 7 minutes per week, yet those same people are making differences to people lives in a way that some politicians and people on the internet could only dream of. Just to be clear I am a remainer with an elderly parent from Europe, who at the time of the vote had lived in the UK for over 60 years and was not UK citizen, so it not as if Brexit had no impact on me. Jane's post said most of what I want to say to be honest.

Post brexit travel chaos is the "new normal"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/23/travel-chaos-is-the-new-normal-after-brexit-british-tourists-are-warned

And you people with two homes don't really understand ...

Oh, not this canard again volver! Over several years I have patiently explained that our lifestyle choice could be done by anyone who owns a semi detached, ordinary house. Nowt grand either! We sold it and split he money between 2 very small apartments, which most on here would never choose to do. “Too small, no garage, no garden, no room for my crafts” etc. So to be honest your comment is so WIDE of the mark it makes me chuckle!

Now tell me why Sunderland, with barely a sniff of any sort of immigrant population/workers, voted Leave?

I could Google an answer for you MaizieD there are plenty of articles giving reasons if you care to check it out.

Maybe the canny workers on the east coast just had their fingers on the pulse? They had turned away from Labour that’s for sure.