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Which of the following changes, if any, to the UK’s political system would make a positive difference for you?

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DaisyAnne Fri 12-Aug-22 10:55:52

The following was part of a questionnaire I received this morning. Those replying were allowed to select up to 2 options. The first choice was easy. The second left me with a little more head scratching. What would other GN members choose and what (short) message would you want to send to the new PM.

1. Changing the electoral system to proportional representation
2. Replacing the House of Lords with an elected chamber
3. Shifting power from Westminster to local councils
4. Strict new rules to tackle sleaze and cronyism in Westminster
5. The introduction of a written constitution to define how our political system should work
6. None of the above

(Source: Unlock Democracy)

henetha Sun 14-Aug-22 11:03:03

Number 4 for me, immediately.

DaisyAnne Sun 14-Aug-22 08:35:36

My OP asked which of the 6 suggestions you would choose. Yours was not one of them, Visgirl.

Is this, therefore, the "short suggestion you would send to the PM"? I must admit I don't think any of the current contenders would listen so I didn't bother with that but others might like to.

Visgir1 Sat 13-Aug-22 18:18:29

Visgir1

No one can become a MP unless they have done at least a term as a local Councillor.

I am saying. No one should be a MP unless they have done a stint as a local Councillor.
I was answering the original post.

Dinahmo Sat 13-Aug-22 17:38:03

Number 1 definitely. Not number 2 because I think that the HOL tries to keep the HOC in order when reviewing bills.

I agree with your 7th in theory but I think that MPs would be spending all their time electioneering and, if they think they may lose their seat they may just throw in the towel.

StarDreamer Sat 13-Aug-22 11:43:56

For me, first choice, number 1. And number 4.

Definitely not 3. As that could lead to a postcode lottery.

I remember when Gordon Brown was Prime Minister that at Questions to the Prime Minister, he was asked on several occasions a question about a contituent of an MP who had been refused some type of medicine by one of those bodies that have been now restructured, and he would say that these are local decisions made by local people. And that was it.

But, at the risk of going off-topic, may I add a 7th question please, something I consider would be of far greater benefit to people, particuarly people in big problems over housing and the like.

This is that when Parliament is dissolved for a General Election, there are no MPs for at least four weeks, sometimes more. As far as I can tell, this dates back to over four hundred years ago when Parliament only convened when the Sovereign wanted it convened.

I consider it would be better if a "Member of Parliament" were considered to be a Corporation Sole, like a Bishop is a Corporation Sole. that is, if something belongs to the Bishop of Somewhere, it does not belong to the person holding the office at the time.

So if the office holder changes at an election then the documents and case load would get handed over.

But the bigger part of my suggestion is that instead of Parliament being dissolved some weeks before the General Election, it should go into "Recess for a General Election" and then be dissolved at 11:59 pm on the day before the election. That way people would still have an MP to turn to for help.

The problem is that under the present system, if someone is being supported by an MP over something serious, like risk of losing housing or being wrongly treated by the benefit system, and a General Election is called, then the person is not an MP and is regarded as if a member of the public, so loses the power to get access to a Minister. It might be "Oh oh oh tradition et cetera but it is useless if a constituent is in a big problem and the person who was an MP no longer has that status and influence to help them even if the person who was an MP is very supportive.

I would like to know what people thibk of that idea please.

Kim19 Sat 13-Aug-22 11:43:56

1 & 5 for me

maddyone Sat 13-Aug-22 11:09:01

I think numbers 2 and 5 , but I agree that it’s difficult to decide.

volver Sat 13-Aug-22 10:55:09

MaizieD

Casdon

volver

Visgir1

No one can become a MP unless they have done at least a term as a local Councillor.

I'm not sure that's true....

You’re right volver, you don’t. This made me laugh, I looked it up and there’s a ‘how to become an MP* on the government careers website. All you really need is enough people to believe you can do it and vote for you.
nationalcareers.service.gov.uk/job-profiles/mp

I read it as visgirl making a suggestion for improving the quality of MPs in the future; not stating what doesn't happens now.

Oops, sorry Visgirl, I misunderstood.

JaneJudge Sat 13-Aug-22 10:33:04

without a doubt, number 1

MaizieD Sat 13-Aug-22 10:31:40

I'd go for 1, as most people have and am pondering over 3 and 4.

It was Thatcher who centralised so much of local authority functions and really took decision making away from the people who knew best what their local community needed. Historically local authorities have been responsible for improvements in infrastructure and services and more directly accountable to their electors. I think that's a good thing.

OTOH the conduct of MPs and PMs needs radical reform...

hmm

MaizieD Sat 13-Aug-22 10:24:32

Casdon

volver

Visgir1

No one can become a MP unless they have done at least a term as a local Councillor.

I'm not sure that's true....

You’re right volver, you don’t. This made me laugh, I looked it up and there’s a ‘how to become an MP* on the government careers website. All you really need is enough people to believe you can do it and vote for you.
nationalcareers.service.gov.uk/job-profiles/mp

I read it as visgirl making a suggestion for improving the quality of MPs in the future; not stating what doesn't happens now.

nadateturbe Sat 13-Aug-22 09:58:04

1 and 5.
If I had to choose just one, it would be 5.

Shinamae Sat 13-Aug-22 09:46:54

I just despair..

Casdon Sat 13-Aug-22 09:44:45

volver

Visgir1

No one can become a MP unless they have done at least a term as a local Councillor.

I'm not sure that's true....

You’re right volver, you don’t. This made me laugh, I looked it up and there’s a ‘how to become an MP* on the government careers website. All you really need is enough people to believe you can do it and vote for you.
nationalcareers.service.gov.uk/job-profiles/mp

volver Sat 13-Aug-22 09:39:52

Visgir1

No one can become a MP unless they have done at least a term as a local Councillor.

I'm not sure that's true....

Visgir1 Sat 13-Aug-22 09:34:21

No one can become a MP unless they have done at least a term as a local Councillor.

Cabbie21 Sat 13-Aug-22 09:21:48

Number one.
Reservations about number three as
a) so many things need to be done nationally, not by a post code lottery
b) unless local authorities are given more funding they will be limited in what they can do.

Prentice Sat 13-Aug-22 09:06:19

Numbers 4 and 5 for me please DaisyAnn

MayBee70 Sat 13-Aug-22 08:53:42

Ailidh

Probably all of the above.

I was having a similar ish conversation at lunch: apparently (I'm nobbut a newbie) our local M.P. is very highly thought of as someone with genuine concern for local people. Come the GE, he sounds like someone I could cheerfully vote for.
Unfortunately, he's a Tory, and I could not cheerfully vote for that party to be back in power. I'm perfectly sure it works with other parties too.

I know too little about political structures and processes to know what system would allow for the voting for local MPs Not automatically leading to their party being in overall charge of the country.

I also begin to think that Prime Ministers might be better elected as an independent process, and for it not just to be the leader of the winning party.

Listening to one of Rory Stewart’s podcasts he pointed out that there’s no point in checking out a Conservative MP’s voting record to see what they’re really like because Conservatives have to follow the party line regardless of how it might affect people. I found that quite interesting, especially since Tom Tugendhat is now openly supporting Truss and I thought he was a decent person. Going back to the OP I think we need all 5 although the HOL’s has been holding the government to account over the past few years. The sad thing is most things were working quite well until the Conservatives won the election12 years ago and started to ignore the things that enabled an unwritten constitution work.

Blinko Fri 12-Aug-22 13:53:09

1 and 4 for me.

I would also like to see the Expenses Code revisited and revised so that the Gravy Train (which I'm sure attracts too many otherwise unsuitable people to enter politics) ceases to exist.

Thus we would be represented by conviction politicians not chancers and wide boys/girls.

As for devolving more power to local authorities, ours does not convince me that this would be a good move.

DaisyAnne Fri 12-Aug-22 13:49:13

(DaisyAnne I don't think you havered - swithered maybe smile)

You are very kind volver, but in my head, I was twittering like an elderly lady in a costume drama and going from one to the other and back again. Swithering would have been much more direct, I feel.

Grany Fri 12-Aug-22 13:42:18

I would choose PR a written constitution
And Abolish the monarchy as monarchy is there for politicians and Royals not for the people. An Elected Head of State a proper democracy not backward Britain

Ailidh Fri 12-Aug-22 13:11:01

Probably all of the above.

I was having a similar ish conversation at lunch: apparently (I'm nobbut a newbie) our local M.P. is very highly thought of as someone with genuine concern for local people. Come the GE, he sounds like someone I could cheerfully vote for.
Unfortunately, he's a Tory, and I could not cheerfully vote for that party to be back in power. I'm perfectly sure it works with other parties too.

I know too little about political structures and processes to know what system would allow for the voting for local MPs Not automatically leading to their party being in overall charge of the country.

I also begin to think that Prime Ministers might be better elected as an independent process, and for it not just to be the leader of the winning party.

AGAA4 Fri 12-Aug-22 12:06:56

1 & 3 for me. The present system doesn't work for the majority of people.

Grannybags Fri 12-Aug-22 12:06:29

1 is first my choice.

I'd like all of the rest and I'm finding it hard to choose just one more