Smileless2012
We don't know how many children are being bullied because they don't conform to gender norms do we. Bullies like to bully, any excuse will do and if there isn't an obvious one they'll find one even if it means making one up.
When I was at school 60's to 70's girls had short hair, wore trousers, played football and rugby, did wood work and metal work. Boys played hockey and did domestic science. I really don't understand why there's so much talk 5 decades later about gender norms and whether or not they're being conformed too.
Yes we do as there are whole government policies about it which I posted
Treelover
dear Doodledog Keep up the good work and to FarNorth and others.. It's necessary. The trans lobby is massive and powerful. It still has the ear and obedience of the authorities.
I've seen you try to reason with Violetsky before and admire your patience. She will, so innocently, play every card in the pack.
Thank you Treelover.
Doodledog I think it’s your turn in the barrel ?
Yes, MerylStreep. It would seem so.
VS
So I think educating about what gender dysphoria is is the right thing to do, and educating about different beliefs held about that is the right thing to do too. Children should be allowed to make their own minds up, not told what to think or believe. Yet all this is delicate. A person with gender dysphoria may be struggling with mental health and so may anyone who is LGBTQ. That may also be combined with SEN needs or other difficulties in life. So all conversation needs to be done carefully and respectfully. Children need more awareness of being inclusive and the policies they are expected to follow.
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, gender dysphoria prevalence accounts for 0.005–0.014% of the population for biological males and 0.002–0.003% for biological females. In both Japan and Poland, the prevalence of gender dysphoria is higher in biological females.
With such a tiny number of affected children, it is difficult to understand why there should be whole-school policies at all. IMO there should absolutely be anti-bullying policies and they should cover children with any and all 'differences', as well as those without them. All children are important, and inclusivity includes trans children (not all of whom have dysphoria) but also children with other things that mark them out as possible victims. Fat kids, thin ones, ones with glasses, ones with disabilities, different religions, different parents, different housing, clever ones, less clever ones and the ones disliked by the ringleaders should all have equal status, as do those with no distinguishing features, and it's perhaps understandable that, as has been suggested, if they see special policies, lessons and attention given to such a small number of children they might resent it.
What I would prefer to see is acceptance, not special treatment, so any trans children are just that - not someone who needs to be singled out, with others punished for 'misgendering' them simply for forgetting which pronoun to use when discussing them with others.
When soaps and TV dramas started to have gay characters, for instance, the storylines were always about their gayness - usually with trauma and angst thrown in. Now, their sexuality is incidental. They are the vicar, the barman, the policeman or the doctor, and are not singled out for being 'different', and their sexuality is just a part of that, in the same way as the straight characters. I think that that approach would be much better than what seems to be one that emphasises the differences between children struggling with 'gender identity' and the rest.
We don't know how many children are being bullied because they don't conform to gender norms do we. Bullies like to bully, any excuse will do and if there isn't an obvious one they'll find one even if it means making one up.
When I was at school 60's to 70's girls had short hair, wore trousers, played football and rugby, did wood work and metal work. Boys played hockey and did domestic science. I really don't understand why there's so much talk 5 decades later about gender norms and whether or not they're being conformed too.
It's awful isn't it FarNorth and still upsets me about my brother as it will upset you about your son
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In answer to your question to FarNorth Glorianny it would very much depend on the age of the child as to what may or may not be appropriate by way of a response.
One thing I would be sure to talk about would be the use of emotional blackmail in terms of threatening self harm, to get ones own way.
If the child is old enough to be able to identify and articulate feeling this way, they should be able to discuss the matter without resorting to threats if they don't get everything the way they want it to be.
Who would get the blame if a child is being bullied at school with transphobic slurs amongst other things, to the extent that they take their own life because the school failed to intervene for fear of also being labelled transphobic? The school having refused to comply with the child's and no doubt the parents request to do something about it.
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