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Why is Boris still PM if he's going to do no work?

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GagaJo Mon 15-Aug-22 09:16:20

Just that really. Is he only remaining as official PM to get paid? Because if he has no intention of working, surely he should be taken off the books, as any of us would be if we absented ourselves from work.

MayBee70 Tue 16-Aug-22 18:42:33

Whitewavemark2

MayBee70

Wasn’t there some sort of problem at Checkers before he was PM? I think he has a bit of an obsession with it. Wonder if he’ll squat there. He’s obviously not planning to do any more work.

My thoughts exactly. He squatted in the foreign office after he was sacked from the job.

Something happened at Chequers though. An incident with Carrie and someone who worked there and left because of it. But it might be my memory playing tricks.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 16-Aug-22 18:38:29

Please do not be put off posting Joseane
your contributions are just as valid as anyone else’s.

Joseanne Tue 16-Aug-22 18:35:23

Well, I did include the work word in my final sentence, MaizieD!
I'm not so daft as to not know what the thread is about, but if others can chat about wallpaper, dogs, toilet rolls etc. what is wrong with my contributions?

MaizieD Tue 16-Aug-22 18:23:42

If I might be permitted to join the current discussion about residences, as opposed to holiday destinations, without it causing any trouble, where will Boris reside after Chequers?

Still not getting it, Joseanne. It was never about holiday destinations. It was about holidays. This is not a Chat thread...

Callistemon21 Tue 16-Aug-22 18:17:40

And very convenient for Heathrow if he wants to pop overseas occasionally, Joseanne!

Joseanne Tue 16-Aug-22 18:10:36

If I might be permitted to join the current discussion about residences, as opposed to holiday destinations, without it causing any trouble, where will Boris reside after Chequers?
There's a 3 bed semi in Hillingdon come up for rent today, £2,200 a month. Nice wallpaper in the lounge, plus leather sofas to slob about and have parties. A garden for the kids and Dilyn, and wait for it ...... a cabin for that all important home office for Boris to work in.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Aug-22 17:40:42

MayBee70

Wasn’t there some sort of problem at Checkers before he was PM? I think he has a bit of an obsession with it. Wonder if he’ll squat there. He’s obviously not planning to do any more work.

My thoughts exactly. He squatted in the foreign office after he was sacked from the job.

rosie1959 Tue 16-Aug-22 17:21:21

MayBee70

Wasn’t there some sort of problem at Checkers before he was PM? I think he has a bit of an obsession with it. Wonder if he’ll squat there. He’s obviously not planning to do any more work.

I expect there is a pretty simple explanation security
He is still PM

MayBee70 Tue 16-Aug-22 17:07:04

Wasn’t there some sort of problem at Checkers before he was PM? I think he has a bit of an obsession with it. Wonder if he’ll squat there. He’s obviously not planning to do any more work.

Casdon Tue 16-Aug-22 16:00:12

To be fair, I always think how cringeworthy it is for a deposed PM and family to have the press thronging round the door of No10 to catch the tears. I’m glad we have been spared that. I just hope there’s time to get a cheap paint job done before the next incumbent arrives, I doubt anybody could live with that horrendous wallpaper.

rosie1959 Tue 16-Aug-22 15:45:48

MayBee70

He’s now planning to spend the rest of his time at Chequers. Imo Chequers is all that he’s ever wanted.

If the removal vans are at Downing Street then seems the sensible option

MayBee70 Tue 16-Aug-22 15:43:20

He’s now planning to spend the rest of his time at Chequers. Imo Chequers is all that he’s ever wanted.

MayBee70 Tue 16-Aug-22 13:09:31

I think Keir is a lot tougher than most people realise. And we need someone who thinks logically and pragmatically but puts peoples lives and well-being first at the moment.

GagaJo Tue 16-Aug-22 13:01:55

Callistemon21

^Says everything about Labour (Dictionary: work hard, make great effort) versus the cons (deceive or trick someone)^

grin
It's how you tell 'em!!

Labs - friendly, slobbery, affectionate but can occasionally bare their teeth

I think Starmer's teeth baring is cold legalese. At least he's rational (even if I'm not a fan). No one could ever accuse BJ of being rational.

MaizieD Tue 16-Aug-22 12:38:59

Joseanne

Dinahmo

Mamie

I think the point is that if a head of state or PM is at an official residence they can still carry out the full range of their responsibilities. I am not sure that wandering (ineptly) round a Greek supermarket provides quite the same opportunities.
Theresa May visited Macron at the Fort de Brégancon when PM. It is a wonderful historic fortress near Bormes-les-Mimosas right on the Mediterranean.

Apparently the Fort can be visited when the President isn't in residence. A friend taking a holiday in Provence a few months ago visited it - an amazing location.

That is why I do have sympathy with ALL our PMs and their exotic choices of holidays. Blair used to escape to Tuscany, Cameron to Ibiza, Theresa May to the Italian Lakes. Chequers is, I am sure, a beautiful place with a huge estate, but holidaying in the Chilterns doesn't really compare with being on the Mediterranean with sunny weather, good food etc. Unfortunately British PMs are hard done by on that front, especially if they want to feel energized from their summer break.
I think it was only Thatcher who considered holidays a distraction from the primary task of running the country, and look what happened to her!

I think you've missed the point of this thread completely, Joseanne.

I don't think we really care where Johnson takes his holidays.

It's the sheer quantity of holidays that he takes and the completely inappropriate time at which he has taken this particular two, in quick succession, that is annoying people.

Joseanne Tue 16-Aug-22 12:32:21

Dinahmo

Mamie

I think the point is that if a head of state or PM is at an official residence they can still carry out the full range of their responsibilities. I am not sure that wandering (ineptly) round a Greek supermarket provides quite the same opportunities.
Theresa May visited Macron at the Fort de Brégancon when PM. It is a wonderful historic fortress near Bormes-les-Mimosas right on the Mediterranean.

Apparently the Fort can be visited when the President isn't in residence. A friend taking a holiday in Provence a few months ago visited it - an amazing location.

That is why I do have sympathy with ALL our PMs and their exotic choices of holidays. Blair used to escape to Tuscany, Cameron to Ibiza, Theresa May to the Italian Lakes. Chequers is, I am sure, a beautiful place with a huge estate, but holidaying in the Chilterns doesn't really compare with being on the Mediterranean with sunny weather, good food etc. Unfortunately British PMs are hard done by on that front, especially if they want to feel energized from their summer break.
I think it was only Thatcher who considered holidays a distraction from the primary task of running the country, and look what happened to her!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Aug-22 12:11:33

Pure coincidence I’m sure

“The son of a Conservative donor who hosted Boris Johnson's wedding party has received an £11.2 million UK government grant to build hydrogen buses”

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Aug-22 11:55:41

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD recess just means that Parliament is not sitting

With modern technology it is not necessary for anyone to be sat at their desk in order to work

I think that the point is, wherever the government is, it is absent from governing.

It is paying lip service to working remotely but that is all, there is zero evidence that anything is being achieved.

Apart from suppressing evidence etc.

MaizieD Tue 16-Aug-22 11:55:27

MaizieD recess just means that Parliament is not sitting

Have you ever heard a saying about teaching grandmothers to suck eggs?

With modern technology it is not necessary for anyone to be sat at their desk in order to work

It's the optics, you know. People might feel a lot more reassured if the PM is in the country and appearing to be concerned about the several crises we are experiencing. I think it's called 'displaying leadership'.

And the fact that this is the government that insisted that people working from home during the pandemic return to their desks PDQ once they'd declared the pandemic to be over...

Dinahmo Tue 16-Aug-22 11:50:11

Mamie

I think the point is that if a head of state or PM is at an official residence they can still carry out the full range of their responsibilities. I am not sure that wandering (ineptly) round a Greek supermarket provides quite the same opportunities.
Theresa May visited Macron at the Fort de Brégancon when PM. It is a wonderful historic fortress near Bormes-les-Mimosas right on the Mediterranean.

Apparently the Fort can be visited when the President isn't in residence. A friend taking a holiday in Provence a few months ago visited it - an amazing location.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 16-Aug-22 11:45:47

MaizieD recess just means that Parliament is not sitting

With modern technology it is not necessary for anyone to be sat at their desk in order to work

MaizieD Tue 16-Aug-22 11:32:30

maddyone

GrannyGravy13

The majority of the U.K. has worked remotely for the best part of two years.

Westminster is on its annual summer recess.

Westminster is on it’s annual summer recess.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought every employee is entitled to paid leave, in other words holidays.
If he was making decisions that’d be wrong, if he isn’t, that’s wrong.

Parliament is in recess for about 16 weeks over a year. Do these posters seriously think that this is all paid annual leave?

Wheniwasyourage Tue 16-Aug-22 11:07:32

Yes indeed, vampirequeen. Still have vivid memories of having to come back from holiday as DH had to go back to work in an emergency. It turned into a horrible summer with him having to work stupid hours to cover what was needed, but the whole family just had to get on with it.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Aug-22 11:03:47

maddyone

GrannyGravy13

The majority of the U.K. has worked remotely for the best part of two years.

Westminster is on its annual summer recess.

Westminster is on it’s annual summer recess.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought every employee is entitled to paid leave, in other words holidays.
If he was making decisions that’d be wrong, if he isn’t, that’s wrong.

There is a post on this thread that explains what a recess actually is.

We are talking about the premiership of nations totalling something like 70million souls, who are experiencing the biggest rise ever in energy, the biggest drop ever in the value of wages, the country facing a recession if not a depression, a health service in absolute crises, a country in drought, railways in crises, inflation etc, and you think that a leader is entitled to go on holiday!!

Civil servants have to cancel all holidays if deemed necessary.

We deserve better than this.

vampirequeen Tue 16-Aug-22 11:00:10

People are entitled to paid leave but some jobs require that you come back off leave early if necessary (see earlier posts). Johnson has that sort of job.