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Jacob Rees-Mogg says government should no longer ‘deliver certain functions’ as Brexit prize

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GagaJo Thu 18-Aug-22 13:56:59

Jacob Rees-Mogg has urged the next prime minister to slash back the government’s role as a prize of Brexit, suggesting it should not “deliver certain functions at all”.

A strong supporter of Liz Truss to win the race for No 10, the arch-Brexiteer called for “a re-thinking of the British state” – arguing mere cuts in public spending will not go far enough.

The Leave campaign won the 2016 campaign partly on a promise to boost spending, notably by £350m-a-week on the NHS, but Mr Rees-Mogg is pointing to a different agenda.

“Our departure from the European Union necessitates a re-thinking of the British state,” the minister for Brexit opportunities has written in a newspaper article.

“This means going beyond ministers looking for fiscal trims and haircuts and considering whether the state should deliver certain functions at all.”

It comes after Ms Truss vowed to press the accelerator on ripping up thousands of EU regulations if she wins power, which has raised fears that protections will disappear.

The Liberal Democrats said the comments would “raise fears that the worst damage to relations with our neighbours is not yet done”.

Mr Rees-Mogg argued tearing back the state’s role would allow the next government to help people with rocketing energy bills, which the leadership race favourite has said she will do through tax cuts.

“As a supporter of Liz Truss to become prime minister I am a strong advocate of the benefit of tax cuts to the economy and to the British consumer,” he wrote in The Daily Telegraph.

The call was endorsed by another senior Truss backer, former Brexit minister David Frost, who is expected to be given a leading role in her administration.

Mr Rees-Mogg was “absolutely right about the need to "rethink the British state" after Brexit”, Lord Frost said.

Layla Moran, the Lib Dem foreign affairs spokeswoman, said: “Rather than try to dismantle the British state, maybe Rees-Mogg should try and tear down the huge amounts of red tape which have been erected thanks to the Conservatives’ trade deal with Europe.”

The Best for Britain better democracy campaign group seized on Mr Mogg claiming £4bn had been found from his efficient drive – arguing it was too little to avoid dramatic cuts.

“It will likely lead to the civil service to stop delivering functions including essential public services that Tory governments continue to run into the ground,” said Naomi Smith, its chief executive.

The call comes after the respected Institute for Fiscal Studies warned that big spending cuts are inevitable if Ms Truss pursues the £30bn-plus of tax cuts she plans, calling them unrealistic.

Angela Rayner, Labour’s deputy leader, said: “There’s nothing ‘efficient’ about cutting frontline services already overwhelmed by backlogs when families are already struggling to make ends meet.

“Now Liz Truss is pledging yet more cuts which will only worsen the backlogs we already have in courts, airports and GPs, leaving people waiting even longer for passports, driving licences, and vital appointments.”

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Glorianny Mon 22-Aug-22 19:39:23

Dickens

varian

One thing we could do is to allow refugees and asyllum seekers to work, Many are skilled and well qualified and yet languishing in hostels because the Home Office takes forever to process their applications.

I read an article some time ago (can't remember where) - it would appear that some would really like to work whilst they are waiting for their applications to be processed.

But it will not happen - not least because to allow it would indicate an 'acceptance' of their legitimacy, and there's an awful lot of people who regard them as - indeed, call them - "illegals" (only here for "benefits", and a "free-house" to go with them), a narrative I think the government is keen to maintain among their supporters whilst they ship some of them out to Rwanda.

Who knows what talent, expertise, experience, industry we're throwing away.

At the last refugee support event I went to a young woman who was an asylum seeker gave a speech about how she was unable to work. Her English was wonderful she had a degree and was obviously used to speaking in public. She said she was volunteering with a youth arts group, but she would prefer to be working, paying her way and contributing taxes. Such a complete waste!
Asylum seekers have no idea how long their case will take and can find out little. The constant worry and uncertainty must be so worrying.

Dickens Mon 22-Aug-22 17:37:16

varian

One thing we could do is to allow refugees and asyllum seekers to work, Many are skilled and well qualified and yet languishing in hostels because the Home Office takes forever to process their applications.

I read an article some time ago (can't remember where) - it would appear that some would really like to work whilst they are waiting for their applications to be processed.

But it will not happen - not least because to allow it would indicate an 'acceptance' of their legitimacy, and there's an awful lot of people who regard them as - indeed, call them - "illegals" (only here for "benefits", and a "free-house" to go with them), a narrative I think the government is keen to maintain among their supporters whilst they ship some of them out to Rwanda.

Who knows what talent, expertise, experience, industry we're throwing away.

M0nica Mon 22-Aug-22 15:42:12

The whole idea that you have to be nailed to a seat in an office to do your work is just so out of date.

I spent last night with DD. At 9.00am this morning DD was at her desk in her study and in a meeting. I just got myself up, packed up, made myself a coffee and put my head round the door to say goodbye when I left. Millions of people were doing something similar all round the country.

Haven't the Conservative party discovered that many people holding down demanding and difficult jobs work from home. Only Boris and his mates equates working from home with lying on a beach.

Farzanah Mon 22-Aug-22 09:45:48

Just seen this on Twitter from trauma surgeon London. Multiple admissions for attempted suicide over night again
”Jumped because can’t afford to eat”.

Any members of this government or their supporters should be ashamed.

Oldnproud Sun 21-Aug-22 21:06:28

RichmondPark1

The Tories telling us to stop being lazy and return to our office desks are the same Tories who are telling us that Johnson is fully capable of carrying out his job whilst he's reclining on a sun lounger in Greece.

Good point, RichmondPark grin

This Government seems to have stopped delivering one key function already: governance!

RichmondPark1 Sun 21-Aug-22 20:57:01

The Tories telling us to stop being lazy and return to our office desks are the same Tories who are telling us that Johnson is fully capable of carrying out his job whilst he's reclining on a sun lounger in Greece.

Glorianny Sun 21-Aug-22 20:28:16

I wouldn't imagine JRM would recognise mental-health as an issue. He probably thinks it will all disappear now Brexit is done, and it was the pesky foreigners causing it.

Farzanah Sun 21-Aug-22 19:58:08

I completely agree with you varian. I agree also about mental health problems Casden and whilst covid has undoubtedly caused higher levels of depression and anxiety, it has been well documented that the more unequal a society the more mental health problems it engenders..

Casdon Sun 21-Aug-22 18:41:53

I don’t disagree with you at all regarding refugees, but I think you’ve missed a large proportion of the UK unemployed out, the people who are suffering with mental health issues. I don’t know what the answer is, but there are hundreds of thousands of people who are unable to work, many of them directly as a result of the impact of Covid. Depression and anxiety are massive issues.

varian Sun 21-Aug-22 18:27:34

I stood in a long queue at the supermarket where there were obviously not enough checkout staff.

The cashier told me they had staff vacancies but "nobody wants to work". I wonder where she got that opinion.

The fact is that our current level of unemployment is at an all time low.

So who are these people who don't want to work? Are they old folk like me? I worked into my mid seventies but I really don't think I should have to work in my eighties and nineties.

Are they disabled folk or people who are sick and on a waiting list for treatment? Are they people suffering from long covid?

Are they folk who are carers for children because they can't afford childcare or carers for ill or old or disabled family members because they can't afford or can't find social care?

In this country we have too many old folk and ill folk, some of whom are currently being let down by long NHS waiting lists, and too few young healthy folk.

It seems to me glaringly obvious that we are suffering from brexit - the huge exodus of productive hard working young EU citizens who were told in no uncertain terms that they were no longer welcome in the UK.

Even if we ever elect a more enlightened government that tries to offer a welcome to these EU workers, I think it would take a long time for enough of them to want to trust this country again.

One thing we could do is to allow refugees and asyllum seekers to work, Many are skilled and well qualified and yet languishing in hostels because the Home Office takes forever to process their applications.

We need immigrants. Perhaps the poor souls landing from dodgy wee boats could be offered jobs - my local supermarket would welcome them.

Dickens Sun 21-Aug-22 14:12:07

The Dickensian Dinosaur is now "blasting" (Daily-Mail-speak) "lazy" British Workers.

He has a real bee in his bonnet about working from home. There's no middle-ground with this man... if you work from home, you're lazy. Even if you're not. Even if - as applicable to me years ago now when I worked from home (in Norway) - your actual sales figures increased. Presenteeism is everything.

Technology means the world of work will evolve - in many ways, not just WFH. It also means we do not have to work the way we did 50 years ago.

I think he should get back to his desk and find those Brexit opportunities that those who voted to leave are waiting to enjoy now - not decades into the future. They were certainly promised a lot more than has been "delivered".

His contempt for the working-class (those educated as "potted plants" - anyone remember that?) is palpable. As is Truss's - no matter the number of times they condescendingly try to appeal to the "hard-working people" when it suits their agenda...

An utterly appalling party of government.

nanna8 Sun 21-Aug-22 14:03:44

her=here

nanna8 Sun 21-Aug-22 14:03:20

Are there many card carrying anythings around these days, I wonder? Most don’t care or have given up her.

Blinko Sun 21-Aug-22 13:36:08

Esspee

I haven’t had time to read the full thread but might I be the first to suggest that they close all the bars in Westminster, ban alcohol from every government office and function, remove alcohol from expenses, remove the subsidy on food in Westminster and any other government offices, stop subsidising MPs second homes in London and instead provide travel lodge type accommodation, stop allowing expense claims for utilities etc.
For those who are saying that really wouldn’t raise a huge amount perhaps you have a point but how can MPs understand the concerns of the electorate when they don’t experience real life from the time they are elected?

?????

Farzanah Sun 21-Aug-22 11:28:08

I think from research carried out the age/sex demographic of Tory Party Members is almost 2 thirds male, which I would be surprised was similar to Gransnet, but perhaps some may reply if relatives are members?
I believe also that Party Members are not truly representative of Tory voters views, for example in the so called red wall areas.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 21-Aug-22 11:14:33

All of my card carrying Conservative family members have resigned from the party over the last months, disappointed on many levels.

According to some the straw that broke the camels back was the increase in NI

None are in favour of Ms. Truss, but are not surprised that she is the front runner in the polls however, polls can be wrong …

MaizieD Sun 21-Aug-22 11:09:30

I would ask that question on the Chat forum. I don't think that card carrying tory party members like News & Politics...

Fleurpepper Sun 21-Aug-22 11:03:45

Yes, my friend wants to know too ;)

grammargran Sun 21-Aug-22 10:43:08

Anyone on here a card carrying member of the Tory Party and voting for Liz Truss? Asking for a friend ……

DaisyAnne Sun 21-Aug-22 08:01:13

We seem to be moving towards a Plutocracy - they are not Conservatives. On the other hand we did seem to attempt a move towards Communism - Corbynistas were not Socialists. Why? Have we all had it pretty good on the centre, left of centre or right of centre ground that we can think of nothing better to do than destroy what we have?

On Twitter, I read about the increasing numbers of attempted suicides coming into A & E. The reports come from Karim Brohi*. Look him up; he looks like one of the good guys. Nothing like it is being reported on our state broadcasting company or other channels. Therefore, I have to accept it may not be true. But why should I trust the BBC, held in a grip by the Plutocrats and certainly I will not trust the most read newspapers, for the same reason.

What sort of a world have we created for ourselves, our children and our grandchildren? And it seem we did it/are doing it because we got bored with "okay".

*Karim Hassan Brohi FRCS FRCA (born 28 August 1968) is a British surgeon who is currently the clinical director of the London Major Trauma Network, Professor of Trauma Sciences at Queen Mary University of London and a Consultant vascular and trauma surgeon for Barts Health NHS Trust at the Royal London Hospital.

Dressagediva123 Sun 21-Aug-22 07:17:06

What a disgusting man Rees- Mogg is and his cohorts. They bleed this country dry for their own ends

Dinahmo Sat 20-Aug-22 20:54:28

Anyone remember California, some years ago when they voted to pay less in taxes? The upshot was the garbage wasn't taken away and other services stopped.

Coco51 Sat 20-Aug-22 20:16:42

Esspee

I haven’t had time to read the full thread but might I be the first to suggest that they close all the bars in Westminster, ban alcohol from every government office and function, remove alcohol from expenses, remove the subsidy on food in Westminster and any other government offices, stop subsidising MPs second homes in London and instead provide travel lodge type accommodation, stop allowing expense claims for utilities etc.
For those who are saying that really wouldn’t raise a huge amount perhaps you have a point but how can MPs understand the concerns of the electorate when they don’t experience real life from the time they are elected?

And afterwards with massive pension pots paid by the electorate. Their expenses should be capped at ’What the law says you need to live on’ as benefit claimants and state pensioners.

Coco51 Sat 20-Aug-22 20:12:36

The trouble with tax cuts is that thepeople who need most support pay little, or no tax!

Shizam Sat 20-Aug-22 19:12:39

The odious Rees mogg comes from rather humble roots. He’s a hideous parody of a posh person who’s very happily feathering his nest at expense of all else. And will trample on all to keep at top of the roost.