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DaisyAnne Mon 22-Aug-22 10:31:47

And I would say thank heavens, but really for all the changing of horses in midstream, what exactly have they done in the last decade-plus, that has improved our lives?

We find it hard to find anything positive that Brexit has brought us, but what good, please tell me, Conservative voters, has the Conservative/Plutocrat party done for our lives in that time? We have just been given more pain today for the promise of jam tomorrow.

Now we have one candidate for leader telling us the most likely leader is proposing tax plans which would plunge the economy into an inflationary “spiral”. Gove adds his thinking by telling us Truss is "on holiday from reality".

Truss has offered what the very small selectorate wants. It is so far from what the country needs that I believe she will have to do an about turn; I would guess by October but even September is possible.

So when will those who may be conservative but are certainly not plutocrats going to decide they cannot vote for this cabal? They have done so much damage I cannot believe the NHS will ever recover; it will go into the future at least partly privatised. That, however, is simply the most obvious of their deliberate destruction. Those voting for these serial liars must believe they can afford it - why go with it otherwise?

My last question is "How long?". No, I am not quoting Psalm 13; I just want to know how much longer these shysters will be left in power.

DaisyAnne Wed 31-Aug-22 21:58:32

MaizieD

DaisyAnne

MaizieD

DaisyAnne

varian

Nick Robinson is just one of the many political journalists employed by the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation who are or have been Conservative Party activists.

If Liz Truss is afraid of being interviewed by Nick Robinson, how could she possibly stand up to interrogation be an impartial interviewer?

I am not saying it is true but you would hope that a journalist could rise above their own views and interview impartially.

If you've watched Maitlis' lecture she says that journalists who are aware of their bias tend to go too far the other way to compensate.

That may hold some truth Maisie but equally, journalists who have a podcast to promote may go in the direction of sensationalising the "facts". I imagine that there is a little bit of both.

I'm not as cynical as you, DaisyAnne.

For what it's worth, I don't think anyone who knows me would call me cynical. I think it's more likely friends would say I can be annoyingly even-handed in my attempt to see both sides. This effect seems to be felt most when they would rather their views go unchallenged. If I was being cynical, it was over both possibilities rather than just one.

Zonne Wed 31-Aug-22 21:33:04

I see Truss, having used lazy tropes about Jews last week, and quite rightly being hauled over the coals for it, has now trotted out a lazy, and equally incorrect, stereotype about Yorkshire folk (as well as lying, again, about being a Yorkshirewoman) and is getting hauled etc etc

Is she genuinely incapable of learning anything? Or just so arrogant she doesn’t care?

Fleurpepper Wed 31-Aug-22 20:25:48

yes, yes, got it, thanks.

varian Wed 31-Aug-22 17:25:53

Fleurpepper

My post was not rude btw, as it was proven nonsense. Someone the other day called another poster a 'muppet' - now THAT is very rude.

I know you are not rude Fleurpepper. I was referring to Elstow

Casdon Wed 31-Aug-22 17:04:33

I take some pleasure in the fact that We lost is an anagram of Elstow!

MaizieD Wed 31-Aug-22 16:49:07

You're very kind, varian, but a search on that username comes up with nothing at all...

I think they've come and gone in a flash grin

Allsorts Wed 31-Aug-22 16:43:26

Sorry can’t get excited.

Fleurpepper Wed 31-Aug-22 16:38:36

My post was not rude btw, as it was proven nonsense. Someone the other day called another poster a 'muppet' - now THAT is very rude.

varian Wed 31-Aug-22 09:10:34

Fleurpepper

Elstow

Are you serious? Nick Robinson a Conservative activist? Grow up for goodness sake you muppet

Don't you just love this kind of constructive debate! And against all proven evidence.

Let's just give this poster the benefit of the doubt and assume she really did not know that Nick Robinson was a Conservative activist, she may not be well informed and her rudeness indicates poor debating ability.

Even so when presented with evidence that she had denied the truth, the correct response would be an acknowledgement and an apology.

I'm not holding my breath.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 31-Aug-22 08:56:58

It isn’t about journalists “sensationalising” facts, but about them reporting lies as if they were facts.

MaizieD Wed 31-Aug-22 08:53:12

DaisyAnne

MaizieD

DaisyAnne

varian

Nick Robinson is just one of the many political journalists employed by the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation who are or have been Conservative Party activists.

If Liz Truss is afraid of being interviewed by Nick Robinson, how could she possibly stand up to interrogation be an impartial interviewer?

I am not saying it is true but you would hope that a journalist could rise above their own views and interview impartially.

If you've watched Maitlis' lecture she says that journalists who are aware of their bias tend to go too far the other way to compensate.

That may hold some truth Maisie but equally, journalists who have a podcast to promote may go in the direction of sensationalising the "facts". I imagine that there is a little bit of both.

I'm not as cynical as you, DaisyAnne.

DaisyAnne Wed 31-Aug-22 08:44:25

MaizieD

DaisyAnne

varian

Nick Robinson is just one of the many political journalists employed by the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation who are or have been Conservative Party activists.

If Liz Truss is afraid of being interviewed by Nick Robinson, how could she possibly stand up to interrogation be an impartial interviewer?

I am not saying it is true but you would hope that a journalist could rise above their own views and interview impartially.

If you've watched Maitlis' lecture she says that journalists who are aware of their bias tend to go too far the other way to compensate.

That may hold some truth Maisie but equally, journalists who have a podcast to promote may go in the direction of sensationalising the "facts". I imagine that there is a little bit of both.

Fleurpepper Wed 31-Aug-22 08:12:28

Elstow

Are you serious? Nick Robinson a Conservative activist? Grow up for goodness sake you muppet

Don't you just love this kind of constructive debate! And against all proven evidence.

MaizieD Wed 31-Aug-22 07:47:36

vegansrock

Johnson will be earning vast sums as an after dinner speaker, then waiting in the wings for Truss to fall apart before making his comeback. #worstnightmare.

Extraordinary to think that the most corrupt and worthless PM we have ever known, far from being shunned by all decent people, is being tipped to make vast sums as an after dinner speaker. It speaks to the complete rottenness of the moneyed sector of our society, doesn't it?

MaizieD Wed 31-Aug-22 07:42:33

DaisyAnne

varian

Nick Robinson is just one of the many political journalists employed by the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation who are or have been Conservative Party activists.

If Liz Truss is afraid of being interviewed by Nick Robinson, how could she possibly stand up to interrogation be an impartial interviewer?

I am not saying it is true but you would hope that a journalist could rise above their own views and interview impartially.

If you've watched Maitlis' lecture she says that journalists who are aware of their bias tend to go too far the other way to compensate.

vegansrock Wed 31-Aug-22 06:54:10

Johnson will be earning vast sums as an after dinner speaker, then waiting in the wings for Truss to fall apart before making his comeback. #worstnightmare.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 31-Aug-22 06:52:09

Urgent advise for the next PM

varian Wed 31-Aug-22 00:30:28

The point is that in spite of their background in the Conservative party and their best efforts to be impartial, journalists like Nick Robinson are often accused of an anti-conservative bias.

DaisyAnne Tue 30-Aug-22 22:36:47

varian

Nick Robinson is just one of the many political journalists employed by the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation who are or have been Conservative Party activists.

If Liz Truss is afraid of being interviewed by Nick Robinson, how could she possibly stand up to interrogation be an impartial interviewer?

I am not saying it is true but you would hope that a journalist could rise above their own views and interview impartially.

M0nica Tue 30-Aug-22 22:27:05

We do not have a presidential system. We elect individual MPs, most with party affiliations. The party with the most MPs forms the government and who leads the party in Parliament is an issue for the MPs and members of that party.

Whether this is a good, bad or indifferent way of doing it is immaterial. The same rule applies to every party. Which ever party is in power chooses its leader anyway it chooses. It could choose its leader by height, weight, drinking capacity, drawing a name out of a hat. it doesn't really matter

Currently the Conservatives are in power, and how they choose their leader is a matter only for them. I fail to see that if Labour were in power things would be any different, the same applies even if the Lib Dems, Greens, or Monster Raving Loony got into power.

I am just concerned, that in a run of ballots where only MPs voted, the two to get to the public vote are just of such abysmal low quality with the gravitas, intellect and leadership skills of a turnip.

If you want the Prime Minister to be chosen by a national vote, then we need to have a Presidential system like they have in the US

Whitewavemark2 Tue 30-Aug-22 20:11:04

? Trumpian - forever campaigning.

Dickens Tue 30-Aug-22 20:06:23

Whitewavemark2

I see that Johnson is on a farewell tour of Britain, emphasising how good he has been for the country?

Eggs anyone!

... a campaign tour heavily disguised as a farewell tour, kind of tour? grin

varian Tue 30-Aug-22 19:37:04

Nick Robinson is just one of the many political journalists employed by the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation who are or have been Conservative Party activists.

If Liz Truss is afraid of being interviewed by Nick Robinson, how could she possibly stand up to interrogation be an impartial interviewer?

varian Tue 30-Aug-22 19:22:16

I'll post this again in case the silly childish name caller didn't see it the first time.

"Robinson was a founder-member of Macclesfield Young Conservatives (YC) and rose through the ranks, becoming Cheshire YC Chairman from 1982 to 1984 and became a key activist in the moderate-controlled North West Area organisation. Philip Pedley, as National YC Chairman, co-opted Robinson onto the YC National Advisory Committee in 1983 and appointed him National Campaign Director of Youth for Multilateral Disarmament. Robinson was elected National Vice Chairman from 1985 to 1987 and succeeded a fellow moderate, Richard Fuller, when Robinson was elected Chairman of the National Young Conservatives on the moderate ticket against strong right-wing opposition (1987–1988).[7]

At university he was President of the Oxford University Conservative Association in 1985.["

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Robinson_(journalist)

Dickens Tue 30-Aug-22 18:51:05

Elstow

Are you serious? Nick Robinson a Conservative activist? Grow up for goodness sake you muppet

According to various sources, Robinson is most definitely a Conservative. If he isn't, and you know something we don't - tell us

And telling people in our demographic to grow up and calling them a muppet is just rude.

You can disagree without resorting to the juvenile slurs frequently used on Facebook by those who might be forgiven because of their youth.

If Robinson isn't a Conservative - what is he?