First arrests under the New Police Act preventing freedom of speech

volver

^I was scared to mention the Queen’s death in case she was a Republican.^

This phrase actually makes me sad.

I'm a vegetarian and people apologise to me for mentioning sausages. I'm not going to self combust just because somebody mentions sausages.

Neither, as a Republican, am I going to self combust if someone tells me that they are sorry that a public figure has died. If they start about how the person who has died was really a saint and that all republicans are devils, then all bets are off.

But don't think that republicans are unfeeling extremists who will immediately fly into a rage if you mention the Queen. We just have different political views to you.

I wonder if the fear was about upsetting a possible Republican or of the reaction Maybee might get - or even a bit of both.

After being on here - where we have the protection of distance - I would steer clear of anyone who had strong republican views.

I tend to let the other person bring something potentially contentious, and try to agree with at least something in what they've been saying.

JaneJudge

I feel like Dickens but I have met the King twice and I actually liked him but he is smaller than me.

I don't quite know why, but your comment about Charles being smaller than you, tickled me.

I've met a couple of 'noteworthy' people in real life and have felt the slight shock of realising that they are not as tall as one imagined!

I feel like Dickens but I have met the King twice and I actually liked him but he is smaller than me.

MayBee70

volver

I was scared to mention the Queen’s death in case she was a Republican.

This phrase actually makes me sad.

I'm a vegetarian and people apologise to me for mentioning sausages. I'm not going to self combust just because somebody mentions sausages.

Neither, as a Republican, am I going to self combust if someone tells me that they are sorry that a public figure has died. If they start about how the person who has died was really a saint and that all republicans are devils, then all bets are off.

But don't think that republicans are unfeeling extremists who will immediately fly into a rage if you mention the Queen. We just have different political views to you.

One of my Facebook political friends is being very venomous towards the royal family at the moment because she just assumes that everyone in her group agrees with her. And a few years ago I mentioned to someone in another group ( this was pre covid and at a meeting) where a member of my family worked and she just got up and walked away from me and didn’t speak to me again for the rest of the night. This was after I’d made a point of sitting through a very long and boring council meeting the week before to support her.

I think republicans come in different shapes and sizes.

For me, it is the institution itself that I would like to see, ultimately, abandoned in favour of a republic. But I have no animosity towards individual members of the RF.

I felt sad watching the decline of Elizabeth from her previously sturdy self to the frail and thin old lady we saw in that last photo' of her meeting Liz Truss, still smiling in spite of probably feeling unwell. But I am not grieving nor mourning, though I am aware she is - as it were - the end of an era. I'm also aware that she did what she considered to be her duty in a way that we will probably never see the likes of again. I don't think Charles has, or will have, her graciousness.

I don't understand the venom because I don't feel it myself. Above all else, Elizabeth was a human being.

volver

^I was scared to mention the Queen’s death in case she was a Republican.^

This phrase actually makes me sad.

I'm a vegetarian and people apologise to me for mentioning sausages. I'm not going to self combust just because somebody mentions sausages.

Neither, as a Republican, am I going to self combust if someone tells me that they are sorry that a public figure has died. If they start about how the person who has died was really a saint and that all republicans are devils, then all bets are off.

But don't think that republicans are unfeeling extremists who will immediately fly into a rage if you mention the Queen. We just have different political views to you.

One of my Facebook political friends is being very venomous towards the royal family at the moment because she just assumes that everyone in her group agrees with her. And a few years ago I mentioned to someone in another group ( this was pre covid and at a meeting) where a member of my family worked and she just got up and walked away from me and didn’t speak to me again for the rest of the night. This was after I’d made a point of sitting through a very long and boring council meeting the week before to support her.

I was scared to mention the Queen’s death in case she was a Republican.

This phrase actually makes me sad.

I'm a vegetarian and people apologise to me for mentioning sausages. I'm not going to self combust just because somebody mentions sausages.

Neither, as a Republican, am I going to self combust if someone tells me that they are sorry that a public figure has died. If they start about how the person who has died was really a saint and that all republicans are devils, then all bets are off.

But don't think that republicans are unfeeling extremists who will immediately fly into a rage if you mention the Queen. We just have different political views to you.

Katie59

I’m actually surprised at the amount of animosity towards the police on Gransnet , where we are I’m sure mostly law abiding citizens.

On one hand we want laws upheld to protect us, yet when we as individuals get caught breaking them the police are facists. There are a few bad apples but mostly they do uphold the rule of law, they need more funding, so does the NHS, Social Services and Education.

I’m actually in a rather confused state about many things at the moment. There are certain things in my life that anger people that I am involved with politically so I have to keep quiet about them. I was chatting to a fellow dog walker today and said it’s been a weird few weeks hasn’t it and I then felt very awkward because I was scared to mention the Queen’s death in case she was a Republican so I went into my usual verbal diahorrea. I was thrown off a political Facebook page because they were being venomous about the royal family and, much as I dislike her, someone said something very distasteful about Truss and I said it should be removed.

Franbern

Oh, I love the last line which states that 'he has since been de-arrested'!!!! What a total farce.

I am totally anti-monarchist, horrified at present at all the upset going on in the country for ten days over the death of a 96-year old. But each to their own, just do not go to official proclamations, etc. Do wish people would, maybe, show their respect of my views as I do of theirs. Would prefer to see money being spent on flowers left to die on pavements could be donated to food banks, where it could do so much more good.

I am however, very concerned that the government has eroded so much of what we have long taken for granted of our right to freedom of speech.

Ohhhhh, your post is a breath of fresh air! I'm personally sick to the entrails of all the schmaltz associated with this wealthy woman's death. And totally agree with the suggestion that donations to food banks would show far more respect than rotting bunches of expensive flowers.

Shhh. You will be done for collusion. (Basing knowledge on true crime podcasts)

been shoplifting again galaxy?

I am not sure that's what was being said. I dont think the police are facists if I break the law.

I’m actually surprised at the amount of animosity towards the police on Gransnet , where we are I’m sure mostly law abiding citizens.

On one hand we want laws upheld to protect us, yet when we as individuals get caught breaking them the police are facists. There are a few bad apples but mostly they do uphold the rule of law, they need more funding, so does the NHS, Social Services and Education.

But you are just a few Eloethan, and the many are generally pleased, give or take the odd closure. You have freedom of speech on here and the Republicans are certainly making full use of it.

Appointments have been cancelled because they can be. The reason they have jumped on it is that the NHS is in dire state. It is not the Queen's fault for dying it's the governments for the general down-grading of all our lives but their "mates".

Days and days of blanket coverage, roads closed, appointments cancelled, holidays curtailed - and all at a time of serious economic and social problems in this country. All these things affect everyone, even people who are not monarchists.

Yet someone holds up a piece of paper saying "Not my king" or shouts "who elected him?" and this is seen as grounds for warnings or arrests.

Mollygo

growstuff

MissAdventure
Surely they could have just separated them?

Well, yes, that sounds like the sensible and proportionate thing to do.

I agree, if it could be guaranteed that others would not have got involved. Who knows what might have happened?

If others got involved then they could call the police.. oh, hang on...

Unfortunately for the police force, so many of whom do a wonderful job, it’s the bad experiences of them that we remember. For me, hearing as a teen, that I should have followed the ‘flasher’ I reported to his home so they'd know where to find him!they’d no

25Avalon - you are always going to get bad apples in any profession, but you cannot tar all police officers with the same brush.

Blondiescot when an off duty policeman rides on your tail, tries to cut you up, pulls you over 1/2 mile later and says your boyfriend made a rude sign and if he doesn’t apologise you will be booked, then you become very wary. When they take an hour to come after you’ve been assaulted leaving you locking yourself in a football ground in fear,giving the perpetrator chance to escape, then you adopt a different viewpoint.

Not all police are like this thank goodness but some are.

growstuff

MissAdventure
Surely they could have just separated them?

Well, yes, that sounds like the sensible and proportionate thing to do.

I agree, if it could be guaranteed that others would not have got involved. Who knows what might have happened?

Juggernaut

@Zoejory,
You used a news report dating from over two and a half years ago to illustrate your point, just a tad outdated!
You may be a scouser, but just how many home games for whichever team you support do you actually go to?
Also, the report you chose does actually state that the Everton fan was welcomed in the Kop!
I was merely pointing out to Avalon that she had chosen the wrong two teams to illustrate her point!
At the last derby match I was able to attend, at Goodison, a young woman tripped and twisted her ankle badly about thirty minutes before kick off. She was carried away to receive first aid by two strapping young lads, one wearing a red and white scarf, the other blue and white!

I've been to Liverpool matches since the age of 5 when I wanted to go with my father. I've been going ever since. Season ticket holder. Many many years now.

There is only one report from a couple of years ago because it was so rare. It explains why the guy was there. Twitter trolls were up in arms.

This romanticising of football fans is not really relevant nor true. Most are lovely. Some are horrendous. I could type out some of the chants that I've heard over the years which would have most of us clutching our pearls. We had an incident back in April when Everton fans smashed up screens and toilets at Anfield. No love lost amongst many .

Liverpool does have a better relationship with Everton than it does with Manchester United but that's about it. Usually if a someone proclaims they are a Toffee, the Reds just tend to look sympathetic.

This isn't relevant to the thread so I shall leave

25Avalon

I am afraid I lost faith in the police many years ago. Some are ok but I’m wary.

Then I sincerely hope you never need to rely on them for anything...

MissAdventure

Surely they could have just separated them?

Well, yes, that sounds like the sensible and proportionate thing to do.

Galaxy

I think that's a terrible definition of hate speech if that's any help. With no concept of the grey areas that might be within that statement.

I guess the key issue is identity. So it's hate speech if you call somebody names based on who they are, but not for their behaviour (I think). Therefore, heckling PA for his alleged behaviour would not be hate speech. I agree it's a terrible definition and doesn't really address the issues.

Surely they could have just separated them?