US & UK are poor societies with some very rich people.

GrannyGravy13

I am all for a safety net for those who are unable to work for whatever reason. I think that is what all societies should provide.

Just fed up with the continuous threads, berating the rich and blaming them for all the worlds ills.

Precisely.

sta Fred!? = Staffed

Maudi

Some 37,000 asylum seekers and Afghan refugees are living in UK hotels at a cost of £4.7m per day, revised Home Office figures show.

A Home Office official said yesterday the total hotel bill was £1.2m a day but the department has since clarified the actual overall daily cost is £4.7m.

It it understood the £1.2m is to accommodate Afghan refugees and another £3.5m a day is spent on asylum seekers.

A spokesman said the use of hotels was unacceptable and a short-term solution.(copied from BBC website)

Perhaps if we weren't spending astronomical amounts on housing asylum /illegals in 4 star hotels, providing health care/dentists, food, pocket money the list goes on there would be more money available, oh no forgot some posters welcome the dinghy boats, perhaps you can't have it both ways, there is only a certain amount of money to go round, perhaps its time to get our priorities right and look after our own people first. Please no posts saying they are not illegal blah blah blah.

Perhaps if we set up an efficient system to deal with their applications and offered them work in those industries that are so short sta Fred if they were suitable we would find the accommodation bills being reduced to zero.

Incompetent and ideological bound government.

How else can wealth be redistributed other that those who make most paying the taxes they owe at the correct rate and the right amount? Sorry. Am I being too obvious here?
The living wage should be exactly that and not rely on govt to top it up. Increase taxation. Why not?

MissAdventure

I think it was Errol Graham (in one of the links) that the dispatches programme featured.

The agencies involved with him had "followed policies", and it lead to his death.

Time to either supplement those policies, or make new ones.

Quite MissA. I must admit I haven't watched dispatches

? U.K. under the Tories.

Stephen Flynn MP
Five days in broken Britain.

?Mon: UK trade deficit is worst on record

?Tue: Rich to get twice as much cost-of-living support as poor

?Wed: Food inflation at highest level in 14 years

?Thu: Plan to scrap cap on banker bonuses

?Fri: Pound falls to 37yr low against Dollar

Some 37,000 asylum seekers and Afghan refugees are living in UK hotels at a cost of £4.7m per day, revised Home Office figures show.

A Home Office official said yesterday the total hotel bill was £1.2m a day but the department has since clarified the actual overall daily cost is £4.7m.

It it understood the £1.2m is to accommodate Afghan refugees and another £3.5m a day is spent on asylum seekers.

A spokesman said the use of hotels was unacceptable and a short-term solution.(copied from BBC website)

Perhaps if we weren't spending astronomical amounts on housing asylum /illegals in 4 star hotels, providing health care/dentists, food, pocket money the list goes on there would be more money available, oh no forgot some posters welcome the dinghy boats, perhaps you can't have it both ways, there is only a certain amount of money to go round, perhaps its time to get our priorities right and look after our own people first. Please no posts saying they are not illegal blah blah blah.

Germanshepherdsmum

Frankly I CBA. Ok?

Yet here you are, posting repeatedly about it.

I think it was Errol Graham (in one of the links) that the dispatches programme featured.

The agencies involved with him had "followed policies", and it lead to his death.

Time to either supplement those policies, or make new ones.

There should be no need for charity in a modern progressive country .Many people believe accepting"charity" is something to be ashamed of,some think applying for benefits is equally so.
Surely in a wealthy country we can afford to ensure that EVERY citizen has a roof over them and enough money to LIVE not just exist or scrape by
When the government of millionaires voted to take the "temporary" uplift of a measly £20 off the poorest there should have been a massive outcry ,Not in England apparently ,these people were judged to be scroungers who shouldn't have "my" taxes spent on them
Thank any god you like that I live north of the border where our government tries to help not punish people who through no fault of ther own are in dire circumstances.There will be many joining that situation this winter who knows it might be one of you .

I'm disgusted that some of you think this acceptable

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/disabled-mans-body-found-six-months-after-dwp-cut-off-his-benefits/

or this

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/truss-must-act-now-to-prevent-disabled-people-facing-humanitarian-crisis-this-winter/

Luckygirl3

*I would prefer people to give generously to charity and roll up sleeves to help the poor, as part of peoples everyday life.*

I can't believe I just read that.

The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate ........ what century are you living in?

Do you really want, for example, carers to be paid so poorly that they need to use food banks, and benefit from your generous donations?

Polish your halo all you want, but it is fundamentally wrong for people in the UK to be living in such poverty.

Now I know how the Tories get voted in if there are people around who think like this.

I worked with some of the most disadvantaged people in our society and they have to fight every inch of the way for the right to a decent life - I have proud to have been by their side helping them. That is my halo polishing moment.

I have no halo, just preferences.

"I worked with some of the most disadvantaged people in our society and they have to fight every inch of the way for the right to a decent life - I have proud to have been by their side helping them."

Indeed, we have as well. We've seen many helping along side us.

Miss Adventure:
"Adequate support for people who are slipping under the radar is necessary, somehow."

Lack of communication between agencies is caused by jobsworth attitude, plus intentional secretiveness.

Let's examine how the jobsworth attitude (computer says no) came to exist.

Let's support whistleblowers.

GrannyGravy13

How do you propose to redistribute the wealthy folks earned income?

Confiscate a percentage of their bank balance and hold a lottery for the poorest in society to see who gets a bit?

There are people in the UK who earn outrageous sums of money. I read about someone who earns six million pounds a year recently, and he gets a bonus too. Nobody can actually earn that amount of money, it’s obscene. At least he’ll pay at least half of it in tax.

I would prefer people to give generously to charity and roll up sleeves to help the poor, as part of peoples everyday life.

I can't believe I just read that.

The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate ........ what century are you living in?

Do you really want, for example, carers to be paid so poorly that they need to use food banks, and benefit from your generous donations?

Polish your halo all you want, but it is fundamentally wrong for people in the UK to be living in such poverty.

Now I know how the Tories get voted in if there are people around who think like this.

I worked with some of the most disadvantaged people in our society and they have to fight every inch of the way for the right to a decent life - I have proud to have been by their side helping them. That is my halo polishing moment.

GrannyGravy13

How do you propose to redistribute the wealthy folks earned income?

Confiscate a percentage of their bank balance and hold a lottery for the poorest in society to see who gets a bit?

Perhaps instead of starting at the point where you're defending the right of the wealthy to hang onto every penny, you could look at how to improve the lot of the poorest in our very unequal society. By legislating for a living wage and decent welfare benefits, for a start. By regarding 'the poor' as human beings with the same basic needs as everyone else, not as parasites on 'the rich'.

It's more important to me that wealth be better distributed. The poor are at a big disadvantage in this capitalist society in my opinion.

MissAdventure

Adequate support for people who are slipping under the radar is necessary, somehow.

I totally agee.

It's not fair to charitable people that they be relied on to pay for disabled people's needs. Needs should be addressed by society as a whole.

The Welfare State should be a reality.

That tells me all I need to know

Frankly I CBA. Ok?

Nobody should have to rely on charity for the basic necessities of life. If people want to donate money to charity that's fine. But it should never be necessary to supply everyday necessities for anyone.
If by the redistribution of wealth you mean making sure the poorest and the most needy are properly cared for and supported then yes I'm all for it. I'd term it a proper caring society where the state provides services and money to enable everyone to have a decent standard of living.

tell me then

We do, Jane, not least because you frequently tell us.

Adequate support for people who are slipping under the radar is necessary, somehow.