US & UK are poor societies with some very rich people.

I think a big part of the problem is business owners paying their employees as little as possible. If they paid more of the profits in wages instead of keeping so much for themselves, the wealth would be more fairly distributed.
Those in the nursing profession, for instance, should get paid far more than they do. I know that is the fault of the government, not a private business, but if nurses were better valued and properly paid, it would attract more people to choose the NHS as a career.

ok other links

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/28/disabled-man-starved-to-death-after-dwp-stopped-his-benefits

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/04/family-of-man-who-starved-to-death-after-benefits-cut-loses-case-against-dwp

foodfoundation.org.uk/initiatives/food-insecurity-tracking

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/woman-in-her-90s-starves-to-death-in-first-case-for-decades-z2zsc0dqx

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/05/figures-show-rise-in-malnutrition-deaths-in-england-and-wales

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/vulnerable-woman-detained-hospital-starved-b1992329.html

www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/28/man-starved-to-death-after-benefits-cut

I suggest some of you have a good read of the disability news site, that growstuff has linked to rather than making excuses. The rights being taken off people with disabilities is nothing short of criminal. We can't just stand back and watch

The dispatches programme I watched also featured people who had taken their own lives, due to the system failing them and their money being stopped.
I now have a lot more understanding of how this could happen, and much more empathy for these people.

I am all for a safety net for those who are unable to work for whatever reason. I think that is what all societies should provide.

Just fed up with the continuous threads, berating the rich and blaming them for all the worlds ills.

sorry it was volver who linked to it.

Germanshepherdsmum

But you are knocking the wealthy Maizie. You are advocating redistribution of wealth and mocking charity.

Did you read Burn-Murdoch's thread?

Do you understand what it was about?

I'm not 'mocking charity'. I'm saying that it shouldn't be a substitute for society enabling all its members to achieve a decent standard of living.

So what’s your solution to her situation Glorianny? In years gone by she would probably have been committed to an asylum where she would have been fed. Do you want to see a return to that sort of provision? It’s easy to trot out the old cliché of the system being ‘broken’. It’s easy to criticise but make no constructive suggestions. Of course the system is based on a requirement for claimants to provide information, and there is help with that if people will engage.

MissAdventure

The dispatches programme I watched also featured people who had taken their own lives, due to the system failing them and their money being stopped.
I now have a lot more understanding of how this could happen, and much more empathy for these people.

I watched the dispatches programme, only someone without a heart could fail to be moved.

It is the system that is at fault, not those who have been successful in their careers.

GrannyGravy13

I am all for a safety net for those who are unable to work for whatever reason. I think that is what all societies should provide.

Just fed up with the continuous threads, berating the rich and blaming them for all the worlds ills.

In 2022, do you know how people with severe disabilities without mental capacity are supported in this country via the benefits system? do you know what benefits they have to claim and what statistics they make up?

GrannyGravy13

I am all for a safety net for those who are unable to work for whatever reason. I think that is what all societies should provide.

Just fed up with the continuous threads, berating the rich and blaming them for all the worlds ills.

You have summed up my feelings perfectly GG.

Adequate support for people who are slipping under the radar is necessary, somehow.

We do, Jane, not least because you frequently tell us.

tell me then

Nobody should have to rely on charity for the basic necessities of life. If people want to donate money to charity that's fine. But it should never be necessary to supply everyday necessities for anyone.
If by the redistribution of wealth you mean making sure the poorest and the most needy are properly cared for and supported then yes I'm all for it. I'd term it a proper caring society where the state provides services and money to enable everyone to have a decent standard of living.

Frankly I CBA. Ok?

That tells me all I need to know

It's not fair to charitable people that they be relied on to pay for disabled people's needs. Needs should be addressed by society as a whole.

The Welfare State should be a reality.

MissAdventure

Adequate support for people who are slipping under the radar is necessary, somehow.

I totally agee.

It's more important to me that wealth be better distributed. The poor are at a big disadvantage in this capitalist society in my opinion.

GrannyGravy13

How do you propose to redistribute the wealthy folks earned income?

Confiscate a percentage of their bank balance and hold a lottery for the poorest in society to see who gets a bit?

Perhaps instead of starting at the point where you're defending the right of the wealthy to hang onto every penny, you could look at how to improve the lot of the poorest in our very unequal society. By legislating for a living wage and decent welfare benefits, for a start. By regarding 'the poor' as human beings with the same basic needs as everyone else, not as parasites on 'the rich'.

I would prefer people to give generously to charity and roll up sleeves to help the poor, as part of peoples everyday life.

I can't believe I just read that.

The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate ........ what century are you living in?

Do you really want, for example, carers to be paid so poorly that they need to use food banks, and benefit from your generous donations?

Polish your halo all you want, but it is fundamentally wrong for people in the UK to be living in such poverty.

Now I know how the Tories get voted in if there are people around who think like this.

I worked with some of the most disadvantaged people in our society and they have to fight every inch of the way for the right to a decent life - I have proud to have been by their side helping them. That is my halo polishing moment.

GrannyGravy13

How do you propose to redistribute the wealthy folks earned income?

Confiscate a percentage of their bank balance and hold a lottery for the poorest in society to see who gets a bit?

There are people in the UK who earn outrageous sums of money. I read about someone who earns six million pounds a year recently, and he gets a bonus too. Nobody can actually earn that amount of money, it’s obscene. At least he’ll pay at least half of it in tax.

Miss Adventure:
"Adequate support for people who are slipping under the radar is necessary, somehow."

Lack of communication between agencies is caused by jobsworth attitude, plus intentional secretiveness.

Let's examine how the jobsworth attitude (computer says no) came to exist.

Let's support whistleblowers.

Luckygirl3

*I would prefer people to give generously to charity and roll up sleeves to help the poor, as part of peoples everyday life.*

I can't believe I just read that.

The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate ........ what century are you living in?

Do you really want, for example, carers to be paid so poorly that they need to use food banks, and benefit from your generous donations?

Polish your halo all you want, but it is fundamentally wrong for people in the UK to be living in such poverty.

Now I know how the Tories get voted in if there are people around who think like this.

I worked with some of the most disadvantaged people in our society and they have to fight every inch of the way for the right to a decent life - I have proud to have been by their side helping them. That is my halo polishing moment.

I have no halo, just preferences.

"I worked with some of the most disadvantaged people in our society and they have to fight every inch of the way for the right to a decent life - I have proud to have been by their side helping them."

Indeed, we have as well. We've seen many helping along side us.

I'm disgusted that some of you think this acceptable

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/disabled-mans-body-found-six-months-after-dwp-cut-off-his-benefits/

or this

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/truss-must-act-now-to-prevent-disabled-people-facing-humanitarian-crisis-this-winter/