Your text vegansrock. or do you have a link for this? Thanks. If yours, may i share?
How did you vote and why today
Just this!
The pound is at its lowest level since the crash of 1985. The average UK household is projected to be poorer than the average Slovenian household by 2024 and Polish by 2030 (source: John Murdoch in the financial times today).
Glad we took back control eh!
Your text vegansrock. or do you have a link for this? Thanks. If yours, may i share?
It’s been three years since the UK officially left the EU and two years since the end of the transition period:
• Brexit is costing the UK economy one million pounds per hour (ONS)
• Brexit means we have around £20 billion a year less available for public spending (Full Fact/UK Statistic Authority)
• £200 added to yearly household food bills (CEP)
• 4/10 British farms forced to leave crops rotting in fields (NFU)
• £900bn in assets transferred out of the UK (New Financial)
• The IMF has forecast that the UK will be the only advanced economy that will shrink this year, including Russia which is still under international sanctions.
• In the Omnisis weekly Brexit sentiment tracker, 62% of people would vote to re-join the European Union if there was another referendum. (Feb 23)
Curtaintwitcher
Do stop blaming Brexit for everything! The truth is that most of this country's problems are caused by our weak, inefficient, incompetent left-wing government.
David Cameron called the referendum in order to prove that UKIP was a lost cause. He wasn't prepared for the result and had no plan in place for a 'Leave' result.
There never has been a plan because it was never really anyone's intention to leave the EU.
Our politicians have become so used to living by someone else's rules that they have lost the ability to think for themselves.
Of course Brexit is to blame. Do you really think that the ERG and their ilk believed in the rubbish spouted by the Leave campaign? They wanted to leave because of new EU rules about tax havens that were proposed before we left the EU.
It's quite obvious to any person with a brain that Brexit was a serious blunder and that the only benefits are delusional.
Curtaintwitcher
Do stop blaming Brexit for everything! The truth is that most of this country's problems are caused by our weak, inefficient, incompetent left-wing government.
David Cameron called the referendum in order to prove that UKIP was a lost cause. He wasn't prepared for the result and had no plan in place for a 'Leave' result.
There never has been a plan because it was never really anyone's intention to leave the EU.
Our politicians have become so used to living by someone else's rules that they have lost the ability to think for themselves.
Oh my Curtaintwitcher - this Governement has turned out to be extreme right, led by the extreme ERG cabale. All countries are affected by Covid and the war in Ukraine- only ONE country is now in a deepening recession, with worse to comepredicted by all experts.
ONLY ONE, JUST ONE, OF ALL 632 UK CONSTITUENCIES is still just in favour of Brexit- all others have turned against as the now know they were lied to and conned, and they can see the result in so so many ways. JUST ONE - do you live in Boston, by any chance.
"left wing"? I'd hate to see your idea of right wing,this government is the nearist to fascism since WW11 .How much further right do you want?
Do stop blaming Brexit for everything! The truth is that most of this country's problems are caused by our weak, inefficient, incompetent left-wing government.
David Cameron called the referendum in order to prove that UKIP was a lost cause. He wasn't prepared for the result and had no plan in place for a 'Leave' result.
There never has been a plan because it was never really anyone's intention to leave the EU.
Our politicians have become so used to living by someone else's rules that they have lost the ability to think for themselves.
Growth can’t happen unless businesses expand, they are not expanding because they cannot find extra workers and borrowing is too expensive. Many are finding it difficult to continue and growth is a distant dream.
'Growth' also depends on people having money to spend. All businesses depend, either directly or indirectly, on consumers buying their products. Refusing to fund public services (which are a very significant engine for growth) and to grant pay increases for people to cope with inflation, is destroying our economy. The Bank of England's ridiculous and ineffectual interest rate rises are making it worse by driving inflation.
Petera
"•Brexit is costing the UK economy one million pounds per hour (ONS)
•Brexit means we have around £20 billion a year less available for public spending (Full Fact/UK Statistic Authority)
•Brexit has lost around 330,000 workers from the UK economy."
Growth can’t happen unless businesses expand, they are not expanding because they cannot find extra workers and borrowing is too expensive. Many are finding it difficult to continue and growth is a distant dream.
"•Brexit is costing the UK economy one million pounds per hour (ONS)
•Brexit means we have around £20 billion a year less available for public spending (Full Fact/UK Statistic Authority)
•Brexit has lost around 330,000 workers from the UK economy."
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from the mouth of te people who know, business people.
Brexit just keeps on giving! (For the avoidance of doubt this post is satirical).
Another Brexit "benefit".....
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-63984360
So we lose potential tourists to Eire.
This suggests that most of the shortfall is down to Brexit, not Covid. Before the pandemic, the shortfall was sizeable, and leaving the single market will have raised the GDP cost of Brexit further. The UK had a particularly deep recession in 2020, but it ended Covid restrictions sooner than many of its peers, thanks in part to starting its vaccination campaign early in 2021. That should have made its recovery from Covid faster than other countries, not slower. We shall see whether the UK closes the gap with the doppelgänger in future data releases. But it should trouble Labour and the Conservatives, who have both been silent on the impact of Brexit on the country’s economic performance, that the economy is lagging so far behind.
www.cer.eu/publications/archive/policy-brief/2022/cost-brexit-so-far
GrannyRose15
Why does anyone think that we should be seeing the benefits of Brexit immediately? Since voting to leave we have spent years arguing to stay, we have had a global pandemic and war in Europe for the first time in decades. We were in the EU for over forty years. It will take a long time to disentangle ourselves from all the rules and regulations associated with membership and become a truly independent state again.
The journey has only just begun.
It's taken no time at all "to free ourselves" from the pesky rules on working hours directives, clean water and tax evasion, but it will take until 2023 to get rid of the awful rules on consumer protection, health and safety, financial regulation and human rights, so we all should be living in brexit utopia in 18 months.
varian
You just might be right GrannyRose
According to Jacob Rees Mogg we might just see the "benefits of brexit" in fifty years.
I don't know how old you are but I do know I won't be here in 50 years.
In the meantime- 50 years has just doubled or more...
Bloomberg reporting the U.K. has lost £500 billion since Truss and Kwarteng announced their ‘fiscal event’.
That’s over 13 Dido Hardings.
Or 250 Mars missions.
Or about 30 years’ membership of the EU.
Or enough to buy free school lunches for every primary school pupil in the country for 100 years.
There us an affiliated society:
The Labour Movement For Europe:
www.labourmovementforeurope.uk/
The chair is Stella Creasey.
The Labour Movement for Europe (LME) is the only pro-EU society affiliated to the Labour Party in the United Kingdom. It is one of 20 "socialist societies" affiliated to the UK Labour Party, just like the Fabians and The Jewish Labour Movement.
It gives you voting rights.
Might be worth considering if you are basically pro EU and Labour.
You just might be right GrannyRose
According to Jacob Rees Mogg we might just see the "benefits of brexit" in fifty years.
I don't know how old you are but I do know I won't be here in 50 years.
June 2016 was 6 Years ago, 4 years before Covid . Plenty of time to have made a start at least, given all those promises ( all turned to dust).
Why does anyone think that we should be seeing the benefits of Brexit immediately? Since voting to leave we have spent years arguing to stay, we have had a global pandemic and war in Europe for the first time in decades. We were in the EU for over forty years. It will take a long time to disentangle ourselves from all the rules and regulations associated with membership and become a truly independent state again.
The journey has only just begun.
I think we are still talking about the fraudulent referendum of 2016
Sorry, are we talking about the referendum, as per growstuff at 14.52, or are we talking about the 2019 election, as per Normandygirl at 17.22?
I'm a bit confused.
These are the people in the so-called "red wall" seats. Many of them saw that voting Labour hadn't done much for them,
The referendum wasn't a tory/Labour contest. As far as I understand it many red wall people voted Leave to give Cameron a bloody nose. It was the tory government they were voting against, nothing to do with Labour.
varian
Another good reason to change to PR growstuff
It depends how a PR system were organised.
Normandygirl People don't always think rationally, when they vote. Some people fell for the myths of division and believed that others in Conservative controlled areas were better off. They are, of course, because the government has been fiddling with grants, so that cuts have fallen most heavily in Labour controlled areas. People in the "red wall" were also duped most readily by the anti-EU rhetoric.
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