How soon before the next step to privatising the state schools?

So they're not actually pinching money from state schools?

Callistemon21

^But parents of private schools students bear a little responsibility^

How exactly?
Their contribution through tax is not being spent on state education.

They are helping to perpetuate a system of massive inequality. That is how.

DaisyAnne I have two grandchildren who attend their local state secondary school.

Ground Hog Day

Yes!

But parents of private schools students bear a little responsibility

How exactly?
Their contribution through tax is not being spent on state education.

1) Of course state schools are massively underfunded. It is SUCH a given that anyone that isn't aware of it, is chosing not to see.

2) Firstly, government are responsible for under funding. But parents of private schools students bear a little responsibility. As do the electorate that continue to vote in a party who actively promote the widening of the gap between the haves and the have nots.

That response was to Daisy Ann.

Possibly. But as a teacher who has been in 3 UK state schools in the last 5 years, I have seen what is available to their students. And at times, it is very little. At times, huge combined classes of 60+ children (2 put together when there aren't enough staff available to teach them). Very limited access to books. No SEN provision.

The only thing holdig state education together is the dedication of the teachers who are forced to work 70+ hour weeks.

As it stands at the moment, they don't care what happens to working-class children. Because it doesn't affect their children at all. Same as the NHS

Who are they who stop state schools being well-funded, if they are?

Parents of children who go to private schools?
Politicians?

I am still not grasping the point, sorry

The problem with that, is that it may leave some children with very difficult long journeys in and around towns to get to school, and some parents would not be able to afford them.
You’re right, but that hasn’t changed. I couldn’t do after school activities because if I missed the school bus, the trip home involved a bus into a town centre, a walk, a wait for another bus then a walk home through the park. Not nice in the winter.

GagaJo

Callistemon21

GagaJo

If we had no independent schools, there'd be no issue. There would be no top loaded, imbalance of resources.

But yes. Nothing would surprise me. The Tories won't be happy until the poor are back in the workhouses.

If we had no independent schools, there'd be no issue. There would be no top loaded, imbalance of resources

I don't understand. Perhaps you could explain more fully how independent schools cause state schools to be deprived of resources?

Because if there were no independent schools, and all children went to state schools, the upper-middle classes, the upper classes and the elite would be forced to ensure state schools were properly funded, to ensure their own children got a good education.

As it stands at the moment, they don't care what happens to working-class children. Because it doesn't affect their children at all. Same as the NHS.

Ground Hog Day for the extreme left.

GagaJo

Callistemon21

GagaJo

If we had no independent schools, there'd be no issue. There would be no top loaded, imbalance of resources.

But yes. Nothing would surprise me. The Tories won't be happy until the poor are back in the workhouses.

If we had no independent schools, there'd be no issue. There would be no top loaded, imbalance of resources

I don't understand. Perhaps you could explain more fully how independent schools cause state schools to be deprived of resources?

Because if there were no independent schools, and all children went to state schools, the upper-middle classes, the upper classes and the elite would be forced to ensure state schools were properly funded, to ensure their own children got a good education.

As it stands at the moment, they don't care what happens to working-class children. Because it doesn't affect their children at all. Same as the NHS.

It's non-sequitur.

There have always been independent schools.
State schools should be properly funded. Full stop.

but that happens anyway, as it is.
i just think having a blind dip for over subscribed schools would be fairer.
there would have to be some kind of second/third round for sweeping up those not picked for first choices.
not sure i've explained what i mean. bit tired.
just dislike all the sharp elbowing by m/c parents, and playing the system, esp re church schools.

The problem with that, is that it may leave some children with very difficult long journeys in and around towns to get to school, and some parents would not be able to afford them.

I think you need to live 3 miles from a school to get free transport and in a city a three mile walk can take you through unsafe areas, especially after dark.

Buy a brick? My in-laws were expected to ‘buy a brick’ to help build a new building at the school where my sister in law went. One DD went to the same school years later and we had to ‘buy a more expensive brick’ to refurbish the school.
Schools in poorer areas are still better off than the first school I taught in. I’m not saying things couldn’t improve, because I think they should.
M0nica makes a good point about what would happen if there were no private schools. Anyone who knows anything about school admissions knows that the parents who can afford it will even move house to send their children to the most successful schools.

i think school places should be decided by lottery, esp the church ones.
obviously parents would pick which barrels they wanted child's name put into.

Callistemon21

GagaJo

If we had no independent schools, there'd be no issue. There would be no top loaded, imbalance of resources.

But yes. Nothing would surprise me. The Tories won't be happy until the poor are back in the workhouses.

If we had no independent schools, there'd be no issue. There would be no top loaded, imbalance of resources

I don't understand. Perhaps you could explain more fully how independent schools cause state schools to be deprived of resources?

It's just a favoured line Callistemon. I am beginning to think GN has turned into Ground Hog Day.

M0nica

Oh, for heavens sake. Go and lie down with cold flannels on your fevered brows.

State schools are far far better now than they were in the 1980s, better funded, better equipped and even back in the 70s I was part of a PTA which was always fundraising for extras for the school my children attended.

Just out of interest do you have children at school now?

The number of people in the upper middle classes, upper classes and elite is so small it would have no affect at all on state schools, evened out probably only be one or two previously privately educated children per school.

What would happen is what happens now, the best state schools are in the areas where the most expensive housing is and where parents do their best to buy into it.

Back in the 1980s, the state school head in my town who was most vociferous in his objection to the local grammar school was the head of a comprehensive school where housing in the catchment area was so expensive he had a school full of grammar school able children without any of them needing to take the 11+. His schools exam successes were exceptional.

Take any big town with three or more secondary schools and the one that is most successful in the rankings will be situated in the area of the town that has the most expensive housing.

Yes and in the 1950s we had 50 in a primary school class and the food was dreadful .

Because if there were no independent schools, and all children went to state schools, the upper-middle classes, the upper classes and the elite would be forced to ensure state schools were properly funded, to ensure their own children got a good education.

Or home school because, quite frankly, that was my second option to an Independent school which I seriously considered. The only reason I didn't is because I wanted him to have the social side of education too.

Callistemon21

GagaJo

If we had no independent schools, there'd be no issue. There would be no top loaded, imbalance of resources.

But yes. Nothing would surprise me. The Tories won't be happy until the poor are back in the workhouses.

If we had no independent schools, there'd be no issue. There would be no top loaded, imbalance of resources

I don't understand. Perhaps you could explain more fully how independent schools cause state schools to be deprived of resources?

Because if there were no independent schools, and all children went to state schools, the upper-middle classes, the upper classes and the elite would be forced to ensure state schools were properly funded, to ensure their own children got a good education.

As it stands at the moment, they don't care what happens to working-class children. Because it doesn't affect their children at all. Same as the NHS.

I don't remember any parental involvement at my High School apart from Speech Days.

Jumble sales, school fetes, A huge firework display with other schools, with sparklers and a barbercue, dances, Uniform sales and heaven knows what else.

We bought all kinds of equipment for the school.

Come to that I can remember my secondary school in the 1950s doing exactly the same kind of thing - all state schools. I expect my primary schools did as well, but I never stayed long enough in any of them to find out.

GagaJo

If we had no independent schools, there'd be no issue. There would be no top loaded, imbalance of resources.

But yes. Nothing would surprise me. The Tories won't be happy until the poor are back in the workhouses.

If we had no independent schools, there'd be no issue. There would be no top loaded, imbalance of resources

I don't understand. Perhaps you could explain more fully how independent schools cause state schools to be deprived of resources?