Sir Keir Starmer

Maudi

Posters seem to forget about the silent majority, remember Brexit it was a done deal that remain would win. Empty vessels make the most noise but its actual votes on the day that count.

I don’t think it was so silent. In the run up to the referendum, both reading posts on here and hearing views elsewhere I had a really bad feeling that leave was going to win. I don’t get that impression about the swing towards Labour.

How do you know if they are silent wishful thinking I suspect on your part.

P.S. The silent majority doesn't care much for Brexit, either..

Maudi

Posters seem to forget about the silent majority, remember Brexit it was a done deal that remain would win. Empty vessels make the most noise but its actual votes on the day that count.

Polls are all about the silent majority, maudi. That is their purpose. So when polls show that greater number of voters would vote ABT that is the silent majority speaking.

I suppose it's comforting to hold on to a belief that there is a majority of unheard voters who think the same way as you do, but it's a delusion.

Maudi

Posters seem to forget about the silent majority, remember Brexit it was a done deal that remain would win. Empty vessels make the most noise but its actual votes on the day that count.

But those supporting Brexit weren't silent.

Aveline

I'm so impressed by Starmer. Not flashy or populist looking for any photo opportunity going just quietly and firmly looking like a grown up! If only there could be an election tomorrow.

Yes, this.
The shadow Cabinet has some serious talent in there. Not all of course, but key figures who interview coherently and well.

Maudi

Posters seem to forget about the silent majority, remember Brexit it was a done deal that remain would win. Empty vessels make the most noise but its actual votes on the day that count.

You are correct Maudi in that only actual votes on the day count for anything.Mere angry noise means nothing, and oh boy, is there plenty of that on social media.
Anything can happen in two years time, politically, we cannot know how voters will feel at the time.

Maudi

Posters seem to forget about the silent majority, remember Brexit it was a done deal that remain would win. Empty vessels make the most noise but its actual votes on the day that count.

As Truss so frequently says.

“I don’t accept the premise of your statement”

???

Posters seem to forget about the silent majority, remember Brexit it was a done deal that remain would win. Empty vessels make the most noise but its actual votes on the day that count.

Why the hell do you think most of them want to vote 'Anything But Tory' at the next GE?

the voting public DO want change

Indeed they do, Ug. They want a complete change of government. They've had enough of being impoverished, allowed to die in their thousands of covid, being lied to, watching the country's coffers being raided by the wealthy, watching the NHS die in front of their eyes, and now seeing their pensions, or future pensions on the brink of being destroyed at the hands of a pair of incompetent far right fanatics.

The voters sure do want a change...

Urmstongran

I only ever bet what I can afford to lose Casdon. ?
Just in case.

And I agree with you - the voting public DO want change - and they’re getting that on steroids with Kwarteng. If he and Truss can pull this kick start off (who knows?) the polls could look very different in two years’ time. But I’ll have placed my bet already with better odds.

This "kick start" put millions of pension funds within hours of total collapse, caused the pound to fall to historic lows, and will certainly be the cause of mortgage interest rates to rocket to unaffordable levels for families and business's. What on earth are you hoping is going to be "pulled off" by this fiasco?

I only ever bet what I can afford to lose Casdon. ?
Just in case.

And I agree with you - the voting public DO want change - and they’re getting that on steroids with Kwarteng. If he and Truss can pull this kick start off (who knows?) the polls could look very different in two years’ time. But I’ll have placed my bet already with better odds.

PS don’t bet too much of your money, you’ll need it to live on very soon. Even if Labour did blow it for some reason, I still don’t think there’s any chance of a Tory majority Government next time by the way. The public are not that stupid, they want change. Nor do I believe any of the other parties would work with them in a coalition - unless in the interim the right wing of the party is completely ousted, there’s a public condemnation of what they have done, and a more moderate/centrist agenda is pursued - I’m sure there are plotters within the party working on that as we speak.

Next Mr Urms will be saying Angela was back on the front bench to distract Mr Johnson

"Didn’t Starmer try to demote Rayner (pre Covid)? Called her into his office and then she walked out with a bigger job! I’m sure I remember that correctly? Not inspirational in a leader."

Why not? Maybe willing to admit he had been wrong and they would make a good team after all? Someone able to change their mind in this context (after whatever says - oh to be. fly on wall) is surely admirable?

One big difference between Truss and Starmer you forgot to mention Urmstongran is that he doesn’t fly by the seat of his pants, he’s cautious and evidence based in his approach. Her? - I think not, she is a cannon of the loosest variety available, particularly if it’s also shiny and sparkly and would look good in a photograph.

It has been so good to hear about Angela Raynor, thank you for that Normandygirl

I also have a tiny horrible feeling that Urms might just win that bet. There is a fair while until the next election and the high polling of the Labour party at the moment is due as much to Liz Truss as to Keir Starmer.

Germanshepherdsmum

Common sense would tell her that her deliberately gobby and abrasive approach isn’t going to win over traditional Conservative voters. I’m sure Starmer is well aware of that.

Didn’t Starmer try to demote Rayner (pre Covid)? Called her into his office and then she walked out with a bigger job! I’m sure I remember that correctly? Not inspirational in a leader.

Starmer is earnest. (Truss is too). Both are a bit boring to listen to.

Starmer happily supported Corbyn for five years. Hmm. I think he comes from the same stable as Ed Miliband.

Do I think as a person he is a decent chap? Yes, undoubtedly.
Is that enough to be voted in as the next PM? I’m not sure. I’m going across the road to the bookies tomorrow to put a bet on the Conservatives winning the next general election. Everyone seems to be cheering for Labour in this media frenzy.

I think I’ll get very good odds.
Worth a punt!

I’ve always been a fan of Sir Kier, I think he’d make a terrific PM. Fingers crossed.

Normandygirl

JaneJudge

Normandygirl

I'm probably a bit biased toward Angela as she was a pupil of my husband when he was running courses for women who wanted a chance to make up for a bad start in life. They included battered women from a local refuge and lots of single mums who had had their education interrupted. One woman I remember, had to take her exams in broom cupboard as her abusive husband was prowling about looking for her. She has gone on to take up a post at Harvard.
Angela was part of that group, and they were the most understanding and supportive group of women I have ever met. I wish her great success in life, she deserves it.

That is amazing Normandy It just shows what good support and valuing education does to empower someone, women.

There was a lot of fighting involved to get the support though. The DSS wanted to stop their benefits as they were deemed to be not available for work. I had to run a voluntary creche for the children as we couldn't get the funding approved . Most of all, it was the women concerned who made it happen , they fought every inch of the way for a better life for them and their children. I would rather have a politician who understands how to fight on against all the odds than any well spoken Eton educated intellectual any day.

That is inspirational Normandygirl, well done to all of you

There are some conservative voters that will never be "won over" to Labour, whatever happens. The idea is, not to try to win everyone over. They don't need to win everyone over. They just need to win over enough people to win the election.

Normandygirl

I'm probably a bit biased toward Angela as she was a pupil of my husband when he was running courses for women who wanted a chance to make up for a bad start in life. They included battered women from a local refuge and lots of single mums who had had their education interrupted. One woman I remember, had to take her exams in broom cupboard as her abusive husband was prowling about looking for her. She has gone on to take up a post at Harvard.
Angela was part of that group, and they were the most understanding and supportive group of women I have ever met. I wish her great success in life, she deserves it.

That’s so interesting thank you !

JaneJudge

Normandygirl

I'm probably a bit biased toward Angela as she was a pupil of my husband when he was running courses for women who wanted a chance to make up for a bad start in life. They included battered women from a local refuge and lots of single mums who had had their education interrupted. One woman I remember, had to take her exams in broom cupboard as her abusive husband was prowling about looking for her. She has gone on to take up a post at Harvard.
Angela was part of that group, and they were the most understanding and supportive group of women I have ever met. I wish her great success in life, she deserves it.

That is amazing Normandy It just shows what good support and valuing education does to empower someone, women.

There was a lot of fighting involved to get the support though. The DSS wanted to stop their benefits as they were deemed to be not available for work. I had to run a voluntary creche for the children as we couldn't get the funding approved . Most of all, it was the women concerned who made it happen , they fought every inch of the way for a better life for them and their children. I would rather have a politician who understands how to fight on against all the odds than any well spoken Eton educated intellectual any day.

She and Starmer are like chalk and cheese

Good! I don’t want them to be clones of each other. Keir Starmer has got the confidence to surround himself with strong women - so what if one or two of them are ‘gobby’. At least he hasn’t surrounded himself with nodding dogs like Johnson and Truss have done.