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Pinterest, Instagram and the dangers of these sites

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Callistemon21 Sat 01-Oct-22 22:57:42

Pinterest has been recommended on another thread as a good site to visit to find ideas about craft, decorating etc.
Many people use Instagram too.

However, before you do, have a think about the dark side of these sites and the dangers they might pose to younger people and children.
Type in a certain word and these sites use algorithms to bring up dreadful images recommending methods of self-harm and suicide.

The dismissive attitude of the representatives of these companies who appeared before the coroner at the inquest into the death of a 14 year old girl, Molly Russell, was arrogant in the extreme.

Innocent and fun? Possibly, in the main. But these sites have a dark and evil side which those in charge seem unable or unwilling to deal with even after the tragic death of Molly Russell.
Even a psychiatrist reporting to the court said he had been disturbed and unable to sleep after viewing some of these images which Molly saw which were readily available on Pinterest and Instagram.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/01/molly-russell-was-trapped-by-the-cruel-algorithms-of-pinterest-and-instagram
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-62991510

A senior executive said "sorry".
I don't know if they have improved policing of these sites and do ensure instant removal of such material or not since Molly's tragic death but I'm sure they have the ability to do so if the will is there.

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valdavi Wed 18-Dec-24 20:13:01

Could the sites not use some sort of AI to pre-screen content? If AI can write dissertations it should be capable of discriminating between social sweetness & light, & horror most of the time. Then humans could do the final screen using consistent guidelines & their judgement, & also screen any reported content promptly.

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Chestnut Your posts are excellent. I agree with everything you say.

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Must be getting near Halloween; the gremlins are out in force tonight. 🎃

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OnwardandUpward Thu 06-Oct-22 12:43:26

On Facebook there is a way to have your account set up as a memorial or to have it closed down. I have chosen my husband to make this choice, in the settings on Facebook.

He can easily access my account by logging into my laptop (it has all the passwords remembered) and this is the same for all my online accounts.

Actually I want my online presence to stay as a memorial after I am gone because I think it's really sad when someone just dissappears. Many people now get creamated and there is nowhere to go and remember them. Some of my friends who have died have Facebook memorial accounts. I find it a comfort to still be able to see the photos and memories. To be able to write a memorial message on their anniversary.

Not everyone will want that, but I do. I was here. I am here and I am going to leave a lot behind, not on GN but in my actual real identity.

Chestnut Thu 06-Oct-22 08:43:27

I think people need to have a way of storing all their passwords for relatives to have access to all the sites they use. I have dozens of sites, but I have listed them all with passwords. I can't help thinking how complicated our lives are now. When my parents died 1999 and 2000 it was all so simple because they were not online at all.

maddyone Wed 05-Oct-22 18:37:38

Yes, that’s right. We used the Tell Us Once service both for my father when he died, and again for my mother. It’s very useful and saves a lot of work. But obviously sorting out the internet presence of a deceased person is not covered by that, I wish it was. I imagine there must be masses of accounts of people who have died floating around in the cloud.

Chestnut Wed 05-Oct-22 09:08:25

There is the Tell Us Once Service which informs all the main contacts about a person's death. Here's the link:
www.gov.uk/after-a-death/organisations-you-need-to-contact-and-tell-us-once

maddyone Wed 05-Oct-22 08:06:27

Thank you Chestnut. I shall have a good look at that when we return home. We’re currently in Corfu on a ten day break. Following my mother’s death we wanted to get away for a bit, to rest and recover some equilibrium, so I’ll continue with wrapping things up next week. We’ve already managed to apply for probate and the flat was already sold subject to contract so we’ll be a bit quieter next week.

Chestnut Tue 04-Oct-22 12:55:26

maddyone

My mother died recently and I’ve been trying to sort out her (very limited) internet presence. I’ve managed to close down her Facebook and Amazon accounts, but Instagram is proving very difficult. She only went on there to follow her granddaughter and great grandchildren in New Zealand, which to be honest was a bit of a waste of time since my daughter puts all the pictures on BackThen (a private site for families to share photographs.) Anyway, Instagram is difficult to close down. Anyone know how?

I Googled 'how to close an Instagram account when someone dies' and this came up. It's 'how to report a deceased person's account on Instagram'. Hope that helps.
help.instagram.com/264154560391256

Callistemon21 Tue 04-Oct-22 11:27:23

J52 ?
A very advanced baby!

Callistemon21 Tue 04-Oct-22 11:26:32

J52

When I opened my Pinterest account they wanted my date of birth to continue. I’d never been asked for this before and thought it was a scam, so I just went with what was on the screen. Yesterday’s date. I’m now permanently locked out, as they think I’m under 13!
I don’t think I’ll miss them.

And, as maddyone says, once you open an account it's not easy to close it.

I did open a Pinterest account years ago, disliked the site and had a struggle to close the account.

OnwardandUpward Tue 04-Oct-22 11:23:18

It's good they do ask for proof of age. I have never seen anything bad on Pinterest, but it probably depends who you follow and what you click on. Like the whole internet, there is good and bad, but we have a choice what we engage with and click on or search for.

Smartphones probably make it impossible to monitor what a child is looking at. There might be a way that you can download the content your child is viewing on their smart phone? Perhaps there's an app or something?

I think if someone's determined, they will probably use a friend's phone or computer to get around any parent controls. I would be more worried if my child was on the dark web than using Pinterest, but I also wonder how many parents know how to check if their child is on the dark web? (I wouldn't have)

J52 Tue 04-Oct-22 10:46:40

When I opened my Pinterest account they wanted my date of birth to continue. I’d never been asked for this before and thought it was a scam, so I just went with what was on the screen. Yesterday’s date. I’m now permanently locked out, as they think I’m under 13!
I don’t think I’ll miss them.

maddyone Tue 04-Oct-22 09:57:11

My mother died recently and I’ve been trying to sort out her (very limited) internet presence. I’ve managed to close down her Facebook and Amazon accounts, but Instagram is proving very difficult. She only went on there to follow her granddaughter and great grandchildren in New Zealand, which to be honest was a bit of a waste of time since my daughter puts all the pictures on BackThen (a private site for families to share photographs.) Anyway, Instagram is difficult to close down. Anyone know how?

Chestnut Tue 04-Oct-22 09:43:08

Doodledog I don’t know how they could be policed without restricting adults too, and we don’t want to end up line North Korea.
Just making them illegal for under 16s or 18s would at least have helped. Like alcohol, some will break the law but most won't. It's too late now of course.

We put the computer in the hallway under the stairs, so that we could see what they were doing when we went past, which was regularly. Not so easy with smartphones, but maybe their use should be limited under the age of 16 or so
Of course under 16s should not be allowed to take any devices to their bedrooms. But us saying that will not make it happen. Hundreds of millions of youngsters are peering at their phones in the small hours and accessing all manner of horrors. We may think parents should be responsible, but only laws and regulations will make them so.

Doodledog Tue 04-Oct-22 00:36:00

I don’t know how they could be policed without restricting adults too, and we don’t want to end up line North Korea.

When my children were small we put a Net Nanny on the family computer, but in the end we took it off because it blocked so many things that they couldn’t do primary school homework. Dick Van Dyke is always cited as a search that would be banned, and whereas that is probably apocryphal, ours would almost certainly have blocked it.

I know that it’s difficult for parents, but I don’t think that adults should be unable to use the Internet freely, so I do think that parents have to find a way to manage their children’s access. We put the computer in the hallway under the stairs, so that we could see what they were doing when we went past, which was regularly. Not so easy with smartphones, but maybe their use should be limited under the age of 16 or so. Or could there be tiered access based on passwords or something, a bit like Netflix accounts which only show suitable films when a child is watching. They’d get round it no doubt, but it would be better than nothing.

Callistemon21 Tue 04-Oct-22 00:19:34

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That's why I started a separate thread because I thought it was important and didn't want to derail a craft thread.

I have looked at Pinterest for ideas too but rarely, just took it at face value mainly as a craft site.
Facebook I use sparingly and know Instagram is popular with younger people.