Liz Truss has told King Charles not to go to the COP27 meeting next month

Thank you, Volvo. This thread was deteriorating.

I say that the question of climate change - even if you choose not to believe in something patently obvious to most people by now - is NOT a party political one.

Anyone think the Truss would have done any similar thing to the Queen?

Whitewavemark2

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Not climate change denial though. That's not an opinion, it's a delusion.

Baggs

^THE FUTURE OF THE WORLD AND THE ENVIRONMENT IS NOT POLITICAL.^

It is actually because information we are being fed is based on the mistaken premise that the planet exists in a state of delicate nurture which any human impact destroys, making that immoral.

To anyone genuinely interested I cannot recommend enough the arguments of Alex Epstein in his book Fossil Future in which he reframes the whole issue in terms of well documented evidence and a starting point of human flourishing, especially with respect to the 3 billion or so people who still live (and die at young ages) with little energy except their own muscles.

I decided to read the book because I had come across Epstein's ideas on Twtr and decided I needed to read what he has to say in order to be able to refute it. His arguments are well expressed and argued with philosophical and moral conviction.

Oh not again. ?

Epstein is a climate change denier and philosopher/computer scientist who has no grasp of the science involved or the mechanisms of what's happening, and is linked to the Ayn Rand Institute.

He really doesn't know what he's talking about.

Climate Change is not political.

Prince Charles flew 125miles in a helicopter to give speech on aircraft emissions.

EXCLUSIVE: Prince Charles' eco row after lecturing climate scientists on reducing aircraft emissions after flying into Cambridge on the Queen's helicopter

Climate campaigner Prince Charles was at the centre of an eco row for lecturing scientists on reducing aircraft emissions – after flying in on the Queen’s helicopter.

The royal – already under fire over air travel costing £280,000 last month – flew 178 miles on two journeys.

The royal – already under fire over air travel costing £280,000 last month – flew 178 miles on two journeys.

But the chopper’s total trip, to and from base, was 368 miles.

Charles was picked up at Highgrove, Glos, and flown 125 miles to Cambridge.

A Bentley then ferried him the last few miles to Cambridge University’s world-leading Whittle Laboratory.

Its scientists are leading research into the decarbonisation of air travel and aim to develop the first zero-carbon flight.

Prince Charles has been accused of being full of hot air on climate change – after a plane flew 125 miles to pick him up.

Critics say it undermines Charles’ Cop26 proclamation when he told the world: “We have to reduce emissions urgently.

From Mirror 2020/1

Whitewavemark2

The optics are so bad though.

The idea of preventing your head of state from turning up to talk about climate change is ridiculous.

The monarch's job is to stay apolitical. The late Queen did this to perfection. Charles has always known that the survival of the monarchy in Britain depends on the monarch not interfering in politics.

Constitutionally, therefore, any PM has every right to tell him, and indeed the duty of telling him to keep out of politics.

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Copied from Thought on twitter

The only question was how long it would be before Charles started to interfere in affairs he had no business interfering in; it looks like we have the answer now.

By leaking to the press that the government stopped him going to COP27, Charles is putting pressure on government not to stop him doing what he wants next time. That’s a dangerous game to play.

I have never seen a briefing operation by Buckingham Palace against a prime minister similar to the one in the Sunday Times

King Charles III is going to be a wholly different and more politically interventionist monarch to his mother

He is not a “globally respected voice in the environment.” He’s a meddler, a hypocrite and dilettante. The rich produce most CO2 and they need to burden the cost of tackling climate change. Charles isn’t interested in that, he just lectures the rest of us.

THE FUTURE OF THE WORLD AND THE ENVIRONMENT IS NOT POLITICAL.

It is actually because information we are being fed is based on the mistaken premise that the planet exists in a state of delicate nurture which any human impact destroys, making that immoral.

To anyone genuinely interested I cannot recommend enough the arguments of Alex Epstein in his book Fossil Future in which he reframes the whole issue in terms of well documented evidence and a starting point of human flourishing, especially with respect to the 3 billion or so people who still live (and die at young ages) with little energy except their own muscles.

I decided to read the book because I had come across Epstein's ideas on Twtr and decided I needed to read what he has to say in order to be able to refute it. His arguments are well expressed and argued with philosophical and moral conviction.

Whitewavemark2

The optics are so bad though.

The idea of preventing your head of state from turning up to talk about climate change is ridiculous.

It really is - particularly when he has made it his 'thing' for so long.

The optics are so bad though.

The idea of preventing your head of state from turning up to talk about climate change is ridiculous.

Palace cooks will now no doubt be sticking pins in pastry effigies of La Truss. If we suddenly hear that she’s unfortunately incapacitated by some ailment we are not allowed to know about, it’ll be an extreme case of piles. ?

Callistemon21 your comment...Priceless

"Look, dear, you know it makes sense"

Preposterous? Why?

(I don't think she ordered him either. But I expect she tried.)

Anyway whether you feel it’s appropriate or not,Charles decided not to go.
The idea that the PM ordered him not to go is preposterous.

YES!

She's overstretching her authority (or whatever)

Callistemon21

I expect he's simmering away quietly.

Like the planet.

I'm going to shout again, apologies in advance.

THE FUTURE OF THE WORLD AND THE ENVIRONMENT IS NOT POLITICAL.

I expect he's simmering away quietly.

He had already said he would have to remain politically neutral when he became monarch, just as any non-political HofS would be.

It will be difficult but he can do as his mother did, encourage environmental projects, try to give a positive, practical lead.

it wouldn’t be appropriate to attend and give a lecture would it?

Yes it would. Heads of State often make speeches about things that affect the whole world. Why do you think it wouldn't be appropriate? His mother made a speech at the last one. (By video, of course.)

Quite, JenniferEccles.

For goodness sake, she didn’t TELL him not to go. Charles specifically asked her advice her feelings were that he shouldn’t.
He had planned to go when he was Prince but of course now he’s the Monarch it wouldn’t be appropriate to attend and give a lecture would it?
Talk about a fuss about nothing.

I heard, no need to shout!

The same reasons as having an a-poliical President, perhaps?

But without more upheavals with elections every four years?