So, are we all enemies of the state now?

rainfall is the key to UK production, too little or too much will change production, we just don’t know which it will be.

You don't think that this year's drought might be an indication of what it will be, Katie59?

Katie59

growstuff

What category of land are proposed fracking sites situated on?

Fracking goes on under ground it does not affect farming

So the polluted water which is a byproduct of fracking won't get into our food chain?

Germany burns coal, brown coal the most polluting type of coal, because it decided to eliminate nuclear power.

I wonder how many people are being killed by the pollution from their brown coal burning power stations compared with how many would have died in the same period from pollution from nuclear power stations, which, of course, are emission free.

“The threat to Southern Europe is far higher Nope.”

The 50c temperatures and fires we saw this year in Spain and Italy must be a challenge to food production there.

For farmers in the UK it’s not climate change that’s their main concern currently, it’s the cost of inputs, falling incomes and legislation that’s worrying. They will adapt cropping to whatever changes happen, they always have.

Monica I find the fact that they are cutting down centuries old forests to mine brown coal for burning a double blow to the planet and mankind.

M0nica

Germany burns coal, brown coal the most polluting type of coal, because it decided to eliminate nuclear power.

I wonder how many people are being killed by the pollution from their brown coal burning power stations compared with how many would have died in the same period from pollution from nuclear power stations, which, of course, are emission free.

China and India are far worse not just air pollution all types of environmental damage at least Germany has other pollution under control.

Yes pollution from the production of stuff we consume is killing thousands.

MaizieD

^Lithium is at a premium, those who own the mines have the world over a proverbial barrel.^

I read the other day that Ukraine has as yet unexploited lithium deposits. It was suggested that this might be a factor in Putin's invasion...

Could equally be the reason why the USA has been so desperate to "influence" Ukraine since 2008?

So the polluted water which is a byproduct of fracking won't get into our food chain?

Highly unlikely most crops rely on rainfall for growth underground water drains into rivers and streams.

Katie59

So the polluted water which is a byproduct of fracking won't get into our food chain?

Highly unlikely most crops rely on rainfall for growth underground water drains into rivers and streams.

But it might get into our aquifers and thus into our drinking water.

“You don't think that this year's drought might be an indication of what it will be,”

Too soon to tell, 1976 drought was far worse, from farmings view it has been an average production year lower yields but dry weather for harvesting which make it easier.

Drinking water, I read somewhere that Londons tap water has been flushed 7 times before it reaches the sea, maybe fracking isn’t too much of a threat.

Katie59

Drinking water, I read somewhere that Londons tap water has been flushed 7 times before it reaches the sea, maybe fracking isn’t too much of a threat.

Fracking uses extremely toxic chemicals and these have to be cleaned out of the water before it is made useable in any form.

Who is going to pick up this bill?

dry weather for harvesting which make it easier.
Really?
Not of you are a potato grower.

Obviously it depends on what you are harvesting.

Katie59

“You don't think that this year's drought might be an indication of what it will be,”

Too soon to tell, 1976 drought was far worse, from farmings view it has been an average production year lower yields but dry weather for harvesting which make it easier.

Well, with hardly any significant rainfall over last winter and a drought that started in the late spring, grass barely grew over the summer, which means that the hay and silage crops have been poorer and there was less grazing available over the summer.

I'd be interested to know what quantity of grain has been harvested this year in comparison with recent years...

NotSpaghetti

^dry weather for harvesting which make it easier.^
Really?
Not of you are a potato grower.

Obviously it depends on what you are harvesting.

And whether you can get the workers to harvest it....

Another aside.

Apparently it slipped his mind, it went unreported.

@JolyonMaugham
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Katie59

Drinking water, I read somewhere that Londons tap water has been flushed 7 times before it reaches the sea, maybe fracking isn’t too much of a threat.

Do you mean flushed down the toilet? Yes, and it also gets treated before it's recycled. You really can't compare tap water with the chemicals used in the fracking process.

Katie59

“The threat to Southern Europe is far higher Nope.”

The 50c temperatures and fires we saw this year in Spain and Italy must be a challenge to food production there.

For farmers in the UK it’s not climate change that’s their main concern currently, it’s the cost of inputs, falling incomes and legislation that’s worrying. They will adapt cropping to whatever changes happen, they always have.

Defra would dispute that climate change isn't the major challenge. Do you know something the government doesn't?

M0nica

Germany burns coal, brown coal the most polluting type of coal, because it decided to eliminate nuclear power.

I wonder how many people are being killed by the pollution from their brown coal burning power stations compared with how many would have died in the same period from pollution from nuclear power stations, which, of course, are emission free.

Why claims about Germany's reliance on brown coal are bunkum:

www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-24/checkmate-fact-check-germany-powered-by-brown-coal-false/101177314

Whitewavemark2

My kind of growth doesn’t trash the sea, rivers, countryside, animal welfare and biodiversity.

My kind of growth has room for the care of the poor and sick. Those seeking sanctuary and freedom from oppression.

My kind of growth recognises the Christian virtues of empathy for desperate people without dreaming of sending them to a violent poor African country which will be as foreign to those desperate people as it is to me.

No I am not in with Truss’s crowd, thank goodness. I have not yet lost my humanity

This ?

Harvesting is not so easy when it’s very dry but it’s much harder if it’s vey wet.

Cereals and Potatoes are almost all mechanical harvesting so Labour is not an issue.

DEFRA says climate change will affect farming but farming will adapt, it always has, as long as a living can be made from food production they will continue. Change happens fast in agriculture and even faster in horticulture, currently the trend is to larger units, with go ahead farms taking over neighbouring land.

DEFRA is more concerned that ultimately conditions will be so severe that food production will drastically fall, if that happens we won’t be worrying about environmental schemes.

growstuff many experts disagree on the Australian article, I have just googled Germany burning brown coal, it’s a fact that it does according to many reports from worldwide sources including the BBC.

Forestflame

Whitewavemark2

My kind of growth doesn’t trash the sea, rivers, countryside, animal welfare and biodiversity.

My kind of growth has room for the care of the poor and sick. Those seeking sanctuary and freedom from oppression.

My kind of growth recognises the Christian virtues of empathy for desperate people without dreaming of sending them to a violent poor African country which will be as foreign to those desperate people as it is to me.

No I am not in with Truss’s crowd, thank goodness. I have not yet lost my humanity

This ?

I don’t think many are happy with the “Truss plan” regardless of their political opinion, the BoE is trying to stabilise the market again. Although we are to hear the justification to the financial plan later this month, will anyone believe that it will be implemented.
Loosing the confidence of others is going to be so difficult to regain.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff many experts disagree on the Australian article, I have just googled Germany burning brown coal, it’s a fact that it does according to many reports from worldwide sources including the BBC.

Nobody said that they didn't burn brown coal, GG13. Just queried the claim (admittedly that no-one on here has made) that they rely on it.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff many experts disagree on the Australian article, I have just googled Germany burning brown coal, it’s a fact that it does according to many reports from worldwide sources including the BBC.

Yes, it does burn brown coal, but not as much as has been claimed online.

www.bbc.com/future/article/20210419-the-end-of-the-worlds-capital-of-brown-coal

www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/coal-germany