Are young people turning gay?

GrannyGravy13

Yes VioletSky I do know what a resource is.

I was just pointing out that mermaids was an Educational resource, just because you haven’t experience of them does not mean that nobody in education has.

Where have I said "nobody has"?

I did my latest training within the last few months but I have just been through it again

Neither Stonewall or Mermaids are referenced at all.

Not on the list of policies and acts that that guide our policy

Not on the long list of support organisations

Nowhere

I value the opportunity to refresh this though

Yes VioletSky I do know what a resource is.

I was just pointing out that mermaids was an Educational resource, just because you haven’t experience of them does not mean that nobody in education has.

Mermaids was used in a training event I attended which was delivered to early years staff. People are going to be back pedalling so hard you will see the smoke.

Do you understand what a resource is? We use many many different resources on a daily basis and choose depending on what works best for a need or create our own from inspiration.

I'm telling you, neither Stonewall or Mermaids are mentioned in my training or my coursework.

Why is that not being accepted?

Because if they were mentioned I still agree with my coursework and my training and I would simply say so

Took less than 30 seconds to find

I searched our academies website and there is no mention of stonewall or mermaids. Nothing on the main academy website either...

I'm still not sure what this has to do with whether I should have an opinion on trans rights?

One thing we did cover in training was the equality act which I obviously do agree with and I believe it should be followed correctly and I agree sometimes that isn't happening.

Another thing we teach in school is our British Values of Individual Liberty, Tolerance and Respect.

I've also told you that we do not teach about trans and neither does my children's secondary school.

I've also mentioned that my responsibility to children having difficulty with gender would be listening, offering comfort and reporting concerns.

But these are things I have said on these threads all along.

Where is the problem exactly?

What did the primary say about it and which one? Mermaids or Stonewall?

VioletSky

I have completed level 2 and level 3 which is a diploma and I am up to date with all staff training.

I can confirm, absolutely no mention of Stonewall or Mermaids at all

If no mention why have the Department of Education removed it as one of their resources ?

Does it differ from area to area?

I have heard of it in a Primary School less than 10 miles from me.

Really VS? Really?
Oh dear.

I have completed level 2 and level 3 which is a diploma and I am up to date with all staff training.

I can confirm, absolutely no mention of Stonewall or Mermaids at all

Oh Doodledogyou are much too bright to pretend ignorance or misunderstanding.
I posted Rosie51's post.
If as she alleges Mermaids has a substantial input into schools then Violet Sky should know about them. But she doesn't know much.
You are now saying it's Stonewall with the input.
So which is it? Or is it neither?
The point is that either you are mistaken and there is no input from either organisation because someone actually working in a school knows little about them. Or you are saying the VS is lying or not taking on board the training provided.
Either way it doesn't really matter because what is emerging is that the allegations about the enormous input the two organisations have had are not supported by the evidence. And in fact you and Rosie51 are now contradicting each other. So stop trying to dodge the bullet and explain to me who has the influence in schools? and is VS just the exception who hasn't had all the input she's supposed to have had? or is the whole idea that these two organisations are busy converting people just a figment of the imagination?

Mermaids has been removed from the DoE list of approved sources

Do I need to follow or be a part of an organisation to have an opinion?

What's your point, Glorianny?

Is what Stonewall or Mermaids, and who is 'pretending' that changing policy is easy? I'm a bit lost.

The point, again, is that it seems odd that VS doesn't know about the main organisations which support the trans agenda, given her position on these threads. It is not for anyone on here to comment on her professional abilities, if that's what you are suggesting - as I say, it's hard to tell what your point is.

Rosie51

VioletSky

I don't follow Stonewall or mermaids so I'm not sure what you want me to do?

I'm only active in my intersectional feminist grouo and even then, well, taking on 3 million odd people is a bit much for me... you could try? Pantsuit nation on Facebook, go, have fun!

doodledog am heartbroken. I'll comfort myself with carrot cake

I suppose I wanted you to back up your statement there were other umbrellas without the T, which as far as I'm concerned there is only the one, which is under attack. I'm disappointed you seem ignorant of Mermaids' actions. As the transgender* children's charity who have so much input into schools I'd have expected you to have come across their activities a lot, especially as like them, you've endorsed 'positive affirmation'. With at least two of the trustees on their board being exposed as totally unfit to be within 10 miles of any child or policies pertaining to children you may not need to learn anything about them in the future. Google is your friend, there's plenty of information about theses scandals online.

Rosie51's assertion about Mermaids
So who is it Stonewall or Mermaids?
Or (surprise, surprise) is it actually neither of them?
Because changing school policies is not as easy as you like to pretend and (more surprise) teachers tend to be well informed people from a variety of backgrounds with lots of differing views.

Glorianny

Hang on I see a certain lack of logic here. If Mermaids is such an influential organisation and is actively changing policies in schools then surely Violetsky will not only have encountered them she will know what they are promoting and how they are doing it.
She says she doesn't.
Therefore apparently she is unqualified to speak about transissues.
Come on either Mermaids have brainwashed her or they haven't. You can't have it both ways.

I

Does Mermaids change policies in schools? I thought that was Stonewall. My understanding is that Mermaids is an advisory service, who will respond to specific enquiries and 'train' staff to respond to those. So, for example, if a child has dysphoria they will advise on that, as it is a rare condition which most staff would never come across in a whole career. That could be wrong though - I've never worked in a school, but I don't think that all schools have all-staff training from Mermaids by any means.

AFAIK, few of us on here is 'qualified' to speak about trans issues, and nobody has said anything about VS's qualifications. The point that was raised was that VS has posted on numerous threads on the subject, and it seems odd, therefore, that she doesn't know about Stonewall or Mermaids, given how often they crop up.

I talked about binders....

binders which was at least 50% of the topic right?

Definitely holding on to all my faculties not brainwashed and not feeling the need to be mean to people on the Internet in the name of any group, organisation or personal vendetta

Hang on I see a certain lack of logic here. If Mermaids is such an influential organisation and is actively changing policies in schools then surely Violetsky will not only have encountered them she will know what they are promoting and how they are doing it.
She says she doesn't.
Therefore apparently she is unqualified to speak about transissues.
Come on either Mermaids have brainwashed her or they haven't. You can't have it both ways.

I

Thanks Molly - exactly my point.

I just don't understand how anyone can be so vociferous in the defence of organisations about which they claim to know nothing. It's not as though it is difficult to find out either.

VS
Even though you post on threads involving them, their practices and recommendations, you support children, without ‘following’ and therefore knowing about the companies who have got things so terribly wrong for so many children, young people and trans.
VS.

Oh dear.

Oh dear

VioletSky

I don't follow Stonewall or mermaids so I'm not sure what you want me to do?

I'm only active in my intersectional feminist grouo and even then, well, taking on 3 million odd people is a bit much for me... you could try? Pantsuit nation on Facebook, go, have fun!

doodledog am heartbroken. I'll comfort myself with carrot cake

There’s no need to be rude. I said that IMO saying that you had no morals or boundaries was a bit strong (you do defend the indefensible), not that I was adopting you.

And again- nobody has said they want you to do anything. Certainly not ‘take on’ 3 million people. Not every comment is directed at you, and nobody expects you (or any of us) to do very much. There is no need to take everything personally.

Obviously people might choose to take action, but on the whole this is a discussion about rights and wrongs, not a call to arms.

On the other hand, you often suggest that you give advice to people with dysphoria- maybe in that case it would make sense for you to familiarise yourself with Mermaids and Stonewall? How you can remain unaware of them whilst participating so vocally in threads line this one, never mind advising others is beyond me.

VioletSky

Oh dear, very sorry to disappoint
you.

Quite happy with school policy. I don't know exactly what you think we do, we don't even teach about trans people.

Neither does the local secondary

We just support children if they open up to us about their feelings and pass on any concerns via relevant channels.

Unless you want me to tell children who are unhappy in their bodies to just "get over it" I'm not sure what I can do other than listen and comfort.

Is that OK?

Eh? Are you sure you read my post? I don't think I raised anything that would prompt those responses. Tell me where I said anything like Unless you want me to tell children who are unhappy in their bodies to just "get over it" I'm not sure what I can do other than listen and comfort. For someone who doesn't like people assuming about them, it would be ever so nice if you afforded others the same courtesy. An apology would be nice too.
I'm disheartened that you are unaware of the influence Mermaids have had on so many institutional policies. It's rather alarming that someone who works with children isn't aware they've gone into schools, police, social services etc promoting their idea of 'good practice' Goodness the Barbie to GI Joe scale was a standard presentation for so long!
If you prefer not to know these things then fine, you do you. I prefer to have the facts before I form opinions.
Is that OK?

Again with the dismissive "jokes" or do you think your failure to parallel park is interesting or relevant to this discussion?

I can't parallel park btw

Lol

Goodnight happy people