Should the Coronation be “slimmed down”?

Coronation same day clash as local elections Do not need a coronation Charles is already king other European monarchies banned coronations a century ago

Elections, local or parliamentary, are usually on a Thursday aren’t they?
Feeble

Never miss an opportunity to take a pot at the Monarchy, eh Grany ?

King Charles' great uncle Lord Mountbatten accused of abusing boy at children's home
Arthur Smyth has waived his anonymity to make the allegations against King Charles III's great uncle Lord Mountbatten - he alleged he was abused twice by the earl when he was 11 at the Kincora home in Belfast

Kevin Winters of KRW Law, Mr Smyth’s solicitor, said the civil action alleging negligence and breach of duty of care was being taken against several state bodies.

"Arthur’s decision to reveal his identity must be set against this backdrop.

“It is borne out of anger at systemic state cover-up on abuse at these institutions.

It's about cover ups top level secrecy there should be no cover up State secrecy.

Campaigners have called on King Charles to open up the royal archives to allow the truth to come out about Louis Mountbatten, who has been accused of child abuse offences.

The earl, who died in 1979, has been accused of serious offences in a court in Ireland.

Speaking for Republic, Graham Smith said today:

"Mountbatten was a mentor and confidante to Charles, a close relative of the Queen and Philip and served at the highest levels of Britain's armed forces. It is inconceivable the most senior royals knew nothing about these allegations."

"The royal archives, despite containing thousands of official documents, are locked away in a family vault in Windsor."

"Charles owes it to the alleged victims of these crimes and to the pursuit of openness and justice to make all archives fully available, so that the truth about Mountbatten's conduct can be fully established."

"For years the palace has fought attempts to open their archives, this obsession with secrecy must stop. If Charles is serious about modernising, he can start with openning up royal archives in full."

And Casdon The Royals have discredited themselves without any help from me. Charles good friend of Savile and Ball. Cash for honours and accepting bags of cash. And Andrew good friend of Epstein and Maxwell.

Grany If anything proves how mindless your anti-royalism is, it is in your insistence in putting your interpretation on a phrase that has a clear and known definition that has been in place for years and expecting everyone else to agree with you.

Grany

Because before these things were kept secret in royal archives.

Now author Andrew Lownie requests authorities make even more records available.

Charles supposedly modernising monarchy if serious he could start by making records kept secret in royal archives available to public.

Mountbatten was second cousin to queen and very close to the royal family.

Mountbatten was not a ‘minor royal’, he was close to the most senior royals and a confidante and mentor for Charles. We need full disclosure on what the royals, especially Charles, knew about these accusations. #NotMyKing

Why do you think he should do what a granny, somewhere in the UK tells him to do Grany. They will do it in their own time and at the pace they feel will work best and they will have people who know what they are doing to advise them.

You say, "We need full disclosure on ... " I don't so could you return to "I" not "we".

Grany

Because before these things were kept secret in royal archives.

Now author Andrew Lownie requests authorities make even more records available.

Charles supposedly modernising monarchy if serious he could start by making records kept secret in royal archives available to public.

Mountbatten was second cousin to queen and very close to the royal family.

Mountbatten was not a ‘minor royal’, he was close to the most senior royals and a confidante and mentor for Charles. We need full disclosure on what the royals, especially Charles, knew about these accusations. #NotMyKing

Why do we need full disclosure Grany, what difference do you imagine it would make to anything? If it was a member of your extended family would you want full disclosure of their misdemeanours for which you had no accountability in the public domain? I dare say every family has skeletons in the closet if you delve deep. I suggest that your interest is purely to add ammunition to your attempts to discredit the Royal family.

Because before these things were kept secret in royal archives.

Now author Andrew Lownie requests authorities make even more records available.

Charles supposedly modernising monarchy if serious he could start by making records kept secret in royal archives available to public.

Mountbatten was second cousin to queen and very close to the royal family.

Mountbatten was not a ‘minor royal’, he was close to the most senior royals and a confidante and mentor for Charles. We need full disclosure on what the royals, especially Charles, knew about these accusations. #NotMyKing

Grany minor Royal means someone not a close blood relation of the monarch: child, grandchild, sibling and occasionally a sibling's children. Roughly within 10 steps of the throne.

Lord Mountbatten does not fall into this group, he is minor royalty, whatever his personal relationship to some of them was.

There is nothing new about Lord Mountbatten's sexual tastes. Both he and his wife had colourful sex lives. All these events happened 50 or more years ago, when, the biggest crime when dealing with behaviour like this was being found out.

The behaviour of Lord Mountbatten and paedophiles in all levels of society at that time, would have been unlikely to have landed him in court.

This behaviour is beyond unacceptable now, we understand the damage it does to children, but we can only judge the past by the standards of the time.

By the way did you know that Joan of Arc was a close associate of a man now described as the first 'serial killer'. Gilles de Rais, He is said to have abducted, abused and then killed as many as 200 young boys. I think we should 'cancel' Joan of Arc because she must have known, mustn't she something about his terrible behaviour.

Just how far back do we go in raking up past behaviour that would quite rightly be shocking now, but at the time was seen as acceptable.

Lord Mountbatten's 'lust for young boys' exposed in FBI files
The decorated war hero was under US surveillance for more than three decades

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lord-mountbatten-was-homosexual-perversion-18959588

Will Mountbatten come back from the dead to defend himself
in court ?

Grany

Coronation same day clash as local elections Do not need a coronation Charles is already king other European monarchies banned coronations a century ago.

Deceased royal Lord Mountbatten set to be named in court as alleged child abuser

Andrew Lownie
@andrewlownie
Another Mountbatten victim comes forward after I revealed two previous ones in The Mountbattens: Their Lives and Loves. The authorities should now make available the records that I have been pressing for since 2019 - not least the car logs at Classiebawn for August 1977. twitter.com/andrewlownie/s…

Mountbatten was not a ‘minor royal’, he was close to the most senior royals and a confidante and mentor for Charles. We need full disclosure on what the royals, especially Charles, knew about these accusations. #NotMyKing

Oh dear Grany, you do need to get out more or at least read some other websites.

Coronation same day clash as local elections Do not need a coronation Charles is already king other European monarchies banned coronations a century ago.

Deceased royal Lord Mountbatten set to be named in court as alleged child abuser

Andrew Lownie
@andrewlownie
Another Mountbatten victim comes forward after I revealed two previous ones in The Mountbattens: Their Lives and Loves. The authorities should now make available the records that I have been pressing for since 2019 - not least the car logs at Classiebawn for August 1977. twitter.com/andrewlownie/s…

Mountbatten was not a ‘minor royal’, he was close to the most senior royals and a confidante and mentor for Charles. We need full disclosure on what the royals, especially Charles, knew about these accusations. #NotMyKing

Normandygirl

I have never really understood the premise that the monarchy brings in tourists. The history and the buildings that go with that history maybe, but not the monarchy themselves.
The most visited tourist attractions in the UK are :-
Stonehenge
Lake District
Stratford upon Avon
York Minster
Yorkshire Dales
Edinburgh
Tower of London
British Museum
Even the Tower of London has little to do with modern monarchy and would still be on the list if we got rid of the monarchy tomorrow. The Palace of Versailles is still the most visited place in Europe along with Paris, so we know that the French dispensing with their monarchs has had no ill effects on tourism at all.

Monarchy aside, where did your list of most visited tourist attractions come from? It does not come close to equating with the attractions list for 2021 on www.visitbritain.org

I imagine that whatever they do, Normandygirl, some will complain. It is likely to be well run and a spectacle that many will enjoy, if recent events are anything to go on.

I think that it was a huge mistake to announce a slimmed down coronation ceremony. It has brought the whole debate of the relevance of the monarchy into the spotlight. They should have just got on with it quietly and not many people would have even given it much thought until the actual event was taking place.
The idea, I presume, was to say to the nation that KC understands the hardship and bleak financial outlook of the people. Unfortunately, his efforts to show solidarity with the people translates to only having 2000 richest and most privileged guests in attendance instead of 5000. Only having one golden coach on view instead of the fleet of many and spending only 50 million pounds of the people's money instead of 100 million. It's a " let them eat cake" statement.
If there was any genuine wish to display empathy and understanding for the people, he should have announced a cancellation of the coronation and insist that the funds allocated to it should go to Shelter or other charity instead.

Thank you.

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In my opinion it is right to have a slimmed down Coronation ceremony, but still make it beautifully done, just not extravagant or displaying excess.It will be televised and many people all over the world watching with interest.It cannot be done on a shoestring of course.

I'm always so intrigued by people who decide they don't need to know stuff.

How reassuring it must be to just believe you are right, even although you don't have any justification for thinking that.

Do you need me to explain brand value again? Probably not worth it, eh?

I didn't read it after the first few words volver. It was so obviously irrelevant to Grany's comment.

I didn't say I'm not interested in relevant facts. I'm just not keen on opinions people turn into their own "facts".

Do you not DaisyAnne? Not interested in facts? Prefer opinions based on intuition, or the runes, or chicken entrails or something?

What a surprise.

Well, tonight you've learned about Brand Value, whether you wanted to or not.

No volver, I certainly don't have the sort of fragile ego that always needs to be right and perfect. I was simply picking up the first bit of information that shows the money coming in. However many hairs you split, the Republic Leader gives no information to help sway the majority.

Not fond of actual facts, are we?

Of course it isn't, volver[sigh].