Should the Coronation be “slimmed down”?

They won't need security because they won't be working royals any more. That's how it works, isn't it?

If they move into flats , high rise or over a shop ? would the other tenants be comfortable with security

Will the golden coach be trundled out!?

Parsley3

Will Charles be anointed to show that he is chosen by God? I have read that this symbolic element was important to the late Queen.

Firstly I believe a lavish coronation would send out completely the wrong message to a large number of the population in the current economic climate, struggling with heating, food and mortgage bills, and in all probability for the foreseeable future.

Secondly I think that Parsley raises an important point. Britain is far more diverse and secular than when the Queen came to the throne, and I believe it is inappropriate for a “God ordained” monarchy in the 21st century. This probably deserves a separate thread so won’t develop further.

Yes it should be slimmed down and the Royal family should be massively slimmed down and I think the funeral was way over the top and way too much and way too ostentatious

Philippa111

Personally I think its outrageous going to all the expense to create the preposterous pomp for a spectacle that lasts for one day, and then everyone has to get right back to the reality of their own lives... and for many right now that is a very poor existence indeed.

How about instead of wasting all that money, have a very simple service and give those with absolutely nothing some support as a 'Kings' Gift' out of their own billions.

Personally I'd like them to be totally pared back and be like the royals in other countries. Living in simple flats, living lives like the rest of us, paying tax and not perpetuating the 'us and them', 'haves and have nots' unequal society that is our country.

That is an argument that is difficult to argue against.

Personally I think its outrageous going to all the expense to create the preposterous pomp for a spectacle that lasts for one day, and then everyone has to get right back to the reality of their own lives... and for many right now that is a very poor existence indeed.

How about instead of wasting all that money, have a very simple service and give those with absolutely nothing some support as a 'Kings' Gift' out of their own billions.

Personally I'd like them to be totally pared back and be like the royals in other countries. Living in simple flats, living lives like the rest of us, paying tax and not perpetuating the 'us and them', 'haves and have nots' unequal society that is our country.

One thing for sure the London hotels, restaurants, theatres etc also the Television revenue, will benefit from it. But of course it is once again London centred.

I’m on the fence with the rest if you.

Any major event in any city is going to raise money, isn't it?

Of course it is, volver. And we can't afford to be too sniffy about what the event is. Unless, of course, it's harmful to us.

(Which I realise could start another debate...)

I'm not getting into a discussion about the way the economy works with you MaizieD - I'd definitely lose!

For me, it's not the money that matters. It's the fact we have an unelected HoS who thinks he has been chosen by God because of who his mum was. Any major event in any city is going to raise money, isn't it? Bring on Eurovision!! Or we could have a big celebration to mark becoming a republic

Well, I tried, volver

If people are going to object to the cost perhaps they'd like to tell me where they think the money all goes?

^ Who's going to pay for the impacts of the policing that won't be done because they've all gone to London for the day?^

I haven't seen any reports of a crimewave caused by their absence for the Queen's funeral. Have you? I'm sure that Grany would have told us all about it...

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They might reduce the number of royals, but the cost of the monarchy will continue to rise. Fewer royals, more money for Charles and William.

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Start with the military,;all those ruritanian uniforms have to be maintained, kept clean and polished. After the Queen's funeral I was told that all the uniforms were used anyway, they didn't cost anything. Can't have it both ways. Same with the saddlery etc.

The splendid horses have to be fed and shod I would expect them to feed and shoe the horses anyway . Otherwise the RSPCA need to know about it.

The souvenirs could raise money if they were pictures of Charles in a gold coach or Charles on top of a hill with his foot in an indentation.

Hiring barriers, hiring toilets, hiring transport to bring in the extra police, security etc. Fair enough. Who's going to pay for the impacts of the policing that won't be done because they've all gone to London for the day?

Where do you think that the money that is spent on it will go? It's not a bottomless pit or a big black hole. it will go to paying people or businesses.

Let's think.

Start with the military,;all those ruritanian uniforms have to be maintained, kept clean and polished. I doubt the military maintains its own dry cleaners, nor does it produce its own cleaning materials. The splendid horses have to be fed and shod, horseshoes don't materialise out of thin air, neither does feedstuff (as I know from experience!), someone somewhere supplies them for a price. Then there's the saddlery which has to be repaired and kept in a safe condition. Does the army have its own leather workers and where does the leather and thread come from?

Let's not get sniffy about souvenirs, they're all employment and a source of income for people and businesses (though I hate to say that it might mainly be Chinese people and businesses).

Hiring barriers, hiring toilets, hiring transport to bring in the extra police, security etc. Transport and catering for people coming into London to watch the spectacle, printing orders of service, clearing up afterwards...

I don't know the half of where the money goes, but be sure that it all goes somewhere and it will circulate in the economy and mostly come back to the Treasury via taxation. Because that's how an economy works.

But, as I say, despite this potential boost, the optics could work against it because people don't think it through.

I'd be interested to know just how much benefit to the economy there was from the Queen's obsequies.

On the other hand, I agree we could do without wall to wall media coverage of it...

We don’t need a four hour ceremony that’s for sure.

I trust Charles to slim it down appropriately.

HMtQ was 25 at her Coronation - Charles will be 75 next year, perhaps this is a factor in a truncated Coronation

I'm not sure that the Coronation will make money. I'm trying to think how. Lots of commemorative items. Well we could have those anyway, I think. Full hotels and hospitality in London? Anything else?

In early medieval Scotland the putative king had to climb Dunadd and put his foot in a stone footprint at the top. I'd pay to see Charles do that.

These big national shows are commercial products and I hope the clever economists and social scientists are able to estimate whether or not there will be a sufficient customer base for an expensive coronation.

Witzend

After the brilliantly organised funeral, I did wonder how, if such things can be so incredibly well organised here, how come too many other things are a shambles?

The late Queen’s funeral had been planned for the last decade at least, with regular updates. It couldn’t fail to be magnificent.

Maisie makes a good case for a big coronation, however. Makes money.

My own feeling is that a big coronation , following the grandeur of the Queen's death and funeral, would be anticlimactic.

Yes, it should be slimmed down, with a less ostentatious show of wealth. I think there should be more focus on the purpose and meaning of ‘coronation’ and less focus on the tourist trade.

Is there room for a small person on that fence MaizieD as that is exactly how I feel.

Silvergirl

It should be massively slimmed down given the current financial crisis.

You don't solve a financial crisis by passing up the business opportunities offered by a huge event like a coronation. We need to put money into the economy, not withhold it.

Didn't tory 'austerity' teach us anything?