Sunak's Cabinet Changes

Have you actually read that Guardian article Catscatscats?

I'm going to guess the answer is "no".

I think everybody should stop moaning and see what the next few weeks brings.

Look on the bright side - lots of you detested Jacob Rees-Mogg and now he's gone.

Even the Guardian is relieved about Rishi Sunak
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/25/rishi-sunak-prime-minister-system

If anyone is of the opinion, that because any Minister is a Conservative one, then ipso fact they must be no good at all, then that is that, just their opinion.
I can see that in a future Labour government, which I hope will come next time, there will also be some useless Ministers.

"Here you go Hunt, you were s*** at Health and cr** at the foreign office. Have a go at fixing the worst economic mess we've seen in decades."

What could possibly go wrong?

I generally do not deal with contentious posters, but will just say simply that the new PM and the new Chancellor need time to settle into their new jobs.They have had ministerial posts before, but not these ones. Rishi Sunak dealt very well with the pandemic and furlough.

Make no mistake this is a right wing government. They would like nothing more than to parcel out the NHS to interested parties. Braverman wants to ban immigration yet many sectors are on their knees because of staff shortages. We're on our 5th education secretary this year. All this and more with international crises and home grown Tory financial straights. Not to mention cost of living and industrial unrest. I'd be surprised if Sunak can keep the wheels on the bus for any prolonged period. To quote Truss 'at least I was PM'.

Prentice

Your fruit may be rotten growstuff but I don’t believe that either Rishi Sunak or Jeremy Hunt are.
I do not go in for labelling all politicians of the political party that I do not follow as bad, that would be childish.
They are only just in their new positions and need some time.
Whoever was in government just now would have a testing period, the situation is dire in many countries and hard for all governments.At least it was right to tell the truth to the British people about economic hardships to come.
Now we wait to see what will be announced later this month.

Do you have some sort of memory that erases the past each night so that you wake up each morning with a 'clean slate, Prentice?

They are only just in their new positions and need some time.

Apart from Sunak himself all those in key positions have served before as Ministers and should be experienced enough to run from the start. Some of them are either unchanged or are reprising former posts. Do you not remember them? And few of them exactly shone the first time round.

Hunt is a particular worry. He managed to practically destroy the NHS when he was Health Minister, now he's about to destroy the UK with a completely unnecessary round of deep cuts to public services.

We can only hope that this new administration falls apart very fast and that we at last get the general election that most sane people are calling for.

Raab the man with no brain,

Braverman the racist, fascist hardliner and security risk known to be a serial leaker of government documents.

Just reading that Braverman would have received 3 months severance pay for getting sacked.

She then picked up the same job less than a week later!

Tories good at spending our money aren’t they?

Oh well, a government of competence, compassion and integrity, disappeared with the cabinet.

I was actually a bit hopeful after Sunak’s speech. It lasted for about 3 hours.

We are already hearing about the deals he’s done with people like Braverman - sacked for breaching the ministerial code.

Still I suppose the pond is so small now, the same fish will have to do.

We soooo need an election.

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

MerylStreep

Mayal
but I do think that everyone should be treated with respect and empathy
Have you met an Albanian drug dealer. Have you lived next door to one. Do you know anyone who was forced to close their business because they upset a gang member.

There are a a lot of good Albanians in our area, unfortunately there is a larger criminal community of Albanians.

Wasn’t there a spate of violence in and around the City High Street over the summer?

Not everybody lives in the Albanian gangsterland of South Essex!

I do not live in Albanian gangsterland (what a silly thing to post)

I do read the local newspaper of the seaside city..

If you have a shit pack of cards, however much you shuffle them you’ll end up with a shit hand. I did have some fleeting hope that Sunak would be a new broom, but it’s the same old, same old. Suella Braverman appointment shows a complete disregard for integrity. Time for a new pack.

Your fruit may be rotten growstuff but I don’t believe that either Rishi Sunak or Jeremy Hunt are.
I do not go in for labelling all politicians of the political party that I do not follow as bad, that would be childish.
They are only just in their new positions and need some time.
Whoever was in government just now would have a testing period, the situation is dire in many countries and hard for all governments.At least it was right to tell the truth to the British people about economic hardships to come.
Now we wait to see what will be announced later this month.

growstuff

Prentice

growstuff

Prentice

Not so, there are changes.
In any case, the two who really matter have only just come into the jobs, the PM and the Chancellor.It is quite a relief.

A relief from what?

Boris Johnson as PM and recently Liz Truss as PM.

A rotten apple, a rotten banana and a rotten pear are all different, but they're all rotten and horrible.

And the new’ish (upcycled?) Deputy leader Raab co wrote Britannia Unchained with Truss and Kwarteng so he obviously agreed with their mini budget.

Prentice

growstuff

Prentice

Not so, there are changes.
In any case, the two who really matter have only just come into the jobs, the PM and the Chancellor.It is quite a relief.

A relief from what?

Boris Johnson as PM and recently Liz Truss as PM.

A rotten apple, a rotten banana and a rotten pear are all different, but they're all rotten and horrible.

Casdon

growstuff

Casdon I'm not disputing that he identifies as Welsh - just being a pedant after seeing (from wiki admittedly) that he's not Welsh-born. I'm more concerned that his politics seem pretty ghastly.

You don’t have to be born in Wales to be Welsh though, with Welsh parents who were in England when you were born but returned to Wales for your upbringing you qualify. If not, my SIL isn’t Welsh either!
His politics are horrible, I totally agree - very right wing. As I said, he won’t get on with our First Minister I’m sure.

But I was nitpicking the use of Welsh-*born*.

Incidentally, my ex MIL has lived most of her life in Cardiff and was born in Wales. Nevertheless, she identifies as English and was always going on about how ridiculous it was that she had a vote in whether Wales should be devolved.

PS I wish he wasn’t.

growstuff

Casdon

volver

We're right off track now, but since we're here...

My husband was born in England, but has lived in Scotland for 50+ years, paid tax here, been educated here, contributed to Scottish society. But he can't call himself Scottish and won't call himself English.

We need to get this sorted

My interpretation only, but if your parents are Welsh, are living in England for work when you are born, but return to Wales and you go to school in Wales you are Welsh. If your parents are English, you are born in England but come to Wales as a child you are English. Open to challenge of course!

But if you were born in London, you are not Welsh-born.

Agreed - but I don’t think you have to actually be born in Wales to be Welsh if your parents are Welsh and you live there for the majority of your childhood. So, splitting hairs, David Davies may be not Welsh born, but Welsh bred!

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Casdon

volver

We're right off track now, but since we're here...

My husband was born in England, but has lived in Scotland for 50+ years, paid tax here, been educated here, contributed to Scottish society. But he can't call himself Scottish and won't call himself English.

We need to get this sorted

My interpretation only, but if your parents are Welsh, are living in England for work when you are born, but return to Wales and you go to school in Wales you are Welsh. If your parents are English, you are born in England but come to Wales as a child you are English. Open to challenge of course!

But if you were born in London, you are not Welsh-born.

Like I said, I don't have the energy to argue with racism tonight, especially when it pretends it's just being realistic. Not with Suella in the Home Office.

We have a large immigrant population in my neighbourhood mainly Eastern Europeans, Poles, Czechs and Hungarians. In the 20 odd years I've lived here I haven't come across any Albanians - or any criminals of any persuasion.

My husband's family were based in Little Italy during the war and some of them suffered a lot of abuse and violence because they were Italian.

volver

Have I said I don't believe in Albanians? Never thought I'd write that sentence.

I'm quite sure there are Albanians living throughout the country. I'm also quite sure that like me, you remember the waves of hatred that went towards Romanians, and Bulgarians, when it was thought that they were coming here to take over our country, take our jobs and overwhelm the NHS. Before that, it was the Poles. Before that, the Windrush generation.

Blaming the "others" and trying to pretend that we are under siege, and so have to defend our borders against the nasty people trying to get one over on us, that is peak racism and I don't have the energy to take on the sad little people on this forum who espouse that view.

Who has said we are under siege ?

There are good and bad in all nationalities, not acknowledging that is tantamount to burying one’s head in the sand.

volver

We're right off track now, but since we're here...

My husband was born in England, but has lived in Scotland for 50+ years, paid tax here, been educated here, contributed to Scottish society. But he can't call himself Scottish and won't call himself English.

We need to get this sorted

My interpretation only, but if your parents are Welsh, are living in England for work when you are born, but return to Wales and you go to school in Wales you are Welsh. If your parents are English, you are born in England but come to Wales as a child you are English. Open to challenge of course!

Have I said I don't believe in Albanians? Never thought I'd write that sentence.

I'm quite sure there are Albanians living throughout the country. I'm also quite sure that like me, you remember the waves of hatred that went towards Romanians, and Bulgarians, when it was thought that they were coming here to take over our country, take our jobs and overwhelm the NHS. Before that, it was the Poles. Before that, the Windrush generation.

Blaming the "others" and trying to pretend that we are under siege, and so have to defend our borders against the nasty people trying to get one over on us, that is peak racism and I don't have the energy to take on the sad little people on this forum who espouse that view.