Petition : *Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex*

Thanks VioletSky I really don't understand why anyone would want to blame this poor man for this tragedy.

What do I think gender confusion means? How about 'being unsure about the difference between biological sex and societally-determined norms
But the phrase used was not gender confusion but gender assumptions.
The staff assumed certain things and failed to treat the man. The baby died because of that. It is tragic but saying so shouldn't absolve anyone.

He was 32 years old living in the US

He had lost his insurance and had been unable to afford his hormone treatments and blood pressure medication

On arrival in hospital he told staff that he was transgender, that he had been off his testosterone medication for some time but still hadn't had a period, that he had done a home pregnancy test and that he had peed himself, which is a common thought when waters break. He was in a lot of pain.

The hospital ordered a pregnancy test and did nothing further from what I have read.

When he was finally examined it was determined that he was in labour and the umbilicle cord had had descended into the birth canal. He was taken fir an emergency section but it was too late.

He did everything right, he wasn't listened to or considered because he was obese and looks like a man.

It doesn't matter if his medical notes say male, what matters is the symptoms and listening to the patient.

Can someone explain what actually happened here. Did the patient get a pregnancy test too late because they presented as a man and their medical records had been altered to substantiate this, or were the pregnancy test results showing that they were pregnant ignored?

Genuinely feel amazing after that

Im not really obsessed with anything

There has been 4 trans threads in 4 days

And they all turn a bit nasty

I guess I find that interesting watching people damage their own arguments

I can highly recommend a good walk to blow the cobwebs away

Do a bit of self reflection

Etc

So if they thought they were dealing with a man why did they administer a pregnancy test? Do they do that to men?
Well, exactly. Doesn't this call the 'gender confusion' into doubt? I don't know the details of the case (as I suspect is true of you too), and as I keep saying I think it is very sad.

However, as long as people get in a spin when someone 'misgenders' them, is it surprising that there are times when the gender fascism backfires?

I would say that from what little I know of the details the hospital was culpable, and as I have repeatedly said, I think the case is very sad. I also think that there are mitigating factors - it's not as though the nurse left a patient alone simply because of being fat and trans. It was a mistake, which happened because the patient was making a concerted effort to 'present as' a man, even having medical records changed to assist the delusion. It backfired, and I repeat - the results were terrible.

What do I think gender confusion means? How about 'being unsure about the difference between biological sex and societally-determined norms'?

Doodledog

*Could you please explain to me what you think the phrase about gender assumptions means, because linked with the further statement that doctors are not trained to deal with trans patients I think it means that the staff assumed the patient could not be pregnant because he was trans so did not treat him properly.*

I'm not 'spinning anything. I think this case is tragic.

Yes, the staff assumed the patient wasn't pregnant, as men don't get pregnant and they were told that they were dealing with a man. They got it wrong, but that's not the same as 'ignoring him because he was fat and trans'.

So if they thought they were dealing with a man why did they administer a pregnancy test? Do they do that to men?

No need to answer by the way. It's obvious.
But the squirming to excuse the inexcusable is fascinating.
Especially as you haven't explained what "gender assumptions" means.
They assumed a transman couldn't be pregnant.
They did a test but left him without treatment
His baby died.
You are trying to blame him for a failure of care.
It's disgusting.

VioletSky

Fearing what one doesn't understand is an evolutional dead end on a lot of topics

Understandable though I suppose

Back to the Confucius impressions again?

Ok, grasshopper, what about this one?

She who has an obsession with gender dysphoria will regularly jump to the wrong conclusion.

Lathyrus

VioletSky
Projection

Am off for a walk in the rain

Laters
Sharp exit.

Best done after making an unsupportable statement.
Yes indeed!👏👏

And I was going to ask projection of what and by whom.

VioletSky

Projection

Am off for a walk in the rain

Laters

Sharp exit.

Best done after making an unsupportable statement

Projection

Am off for a walk in the rain

Laters

Could you please explain to me what you think the phrase about gender assumptions means, because linked with the further statement that doctors are not trained to deal with trans patients I think it means that the staff assumed the patient could not be pregnant because he was trans so did not treat him properly.

I'm not 'spinning anything. I think this case is tragic.

Yes, the staff assumed the patient wasn't pregnant, as men don't get pregnant and they were told that they were dealing with a man. They got it wrong, but that's not the same as 'ignoring him because he was fat and trans'.

Who is expressing fear and of what?

Sorry the words for young people should be in there somewhere!

Yup.

So is people consistently putting forward as fact what’s actually only in their own heads😬

And the medical community are currently not saying that even social transition is beneficial or harmful, they are saying not enough evidence.

I'd say that they are stating about what a woman is Lathyrus and like you, I don't have a problem with them being called women if that's what they want, as long as I'm not expected to believe that they are women and criticised for saying so.

Fearing what one doesn't understand is an evolutional dead end on a lot of topics

Understandable though I suppose

VioletSky

Sure

The views of the medical community and the DSM are made up rubbish

Maybe you need to go have a word with them?

Obviously you can’t tell the difference between medical opinion and proven medical fact.

I guess that explains the sweeping statements

Sigh

Elucidate for Fleur because that is how it seems to me.

When someone says “Transwomen are women” aren’t they making a statement about what is a woman.

Actually I don’t have a problem with them being called women if they want. I just wanted to highlight the illogicality of condemning “women who want to define what a woman is” whilst supporting others who also define what a woman is.
Either it’s right to do that or it’s not,for everyone.

I do firmly believe though that male and female should be clearly defined, and differentiated in real life whilst females are vulnerable to males.

Well it wouldn't make any difference to me but I don't understand why, when that is the definition of gender dysphoria.

Smileless2012

Gender dysphoria describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity.

If you had it VS you would feel like/think you're a man but you'd still be a woman.

We'd be no contact should you say that to me in this hypothetical instance

Galaxy

Do I think there might be a cause for gender dysphoria. Yes. Do I actually think knowing the cause will make you a different sex no.

If its proven will you change your mind?

Because I would listen should the results go the other way...

Although conversion therapy doesn't seem to be having a positive outcome

Gender dysphoria describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity.

If you had it VS you would feel like/think you're a man but you'd still be a woman.