Petition : *Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex*

If I was going to lie, I'd have said I'm a biologist and googled myself some answers lol

As a TA I would definitely explain to everyones grandchildren what bullying is and why it is really not a good choice and definitely not a happy one

Idk why you guys do this stuff

It's a weird hobby

So so mean

Might go cry myself to sleep

VioletSky

I'm not making digs

I didn't mention names... I don't always remember who said what but I don't need to name, it's not a dig to say I've been told something

Again, personal comments Rosie

My job is to support children's learning not to teach my opinions to anyone. We support childre to learn in the ways that work best for them and formulate their own ideas and opinions...

I've also said this several times

And I am a very good teaching assistant. Plenty of areas of my life are probably a bit messy but everyone is good at something and that's one thing I'm incredibly proud of

You cannot hurt me with that one.

And still not even one link to the studies you've read! Just that one Wicki link which has a ! warning at the header!!!
Personal comment? Yes certainly, you say you're a good TA, we only have your word for that. I could say I'm an accomplished neurosurgeon but I'd expect you'd want proof before accepting my word. My grandson means the world to me, his safety is paramount. The self proclaimed 'purity' of any of his TAs is of no interest at all.

sillydevil

There is a lot of math missing there I'm afraid

First you would need the percentage of population for each of those demographics.

Then you would need numbers for specific crimes

Then you could work out what percentage of each demographic had been a victim of each crime

OnwardandUpward

@Rosie51 I don't think anyone should be told to transition to male , ever and certainly not because they are struggling with periods and female things. I mean, we all suffer with those! I even wondered if my friend was a Lesbian really who felt it more acceptable to live as a man, although I have not ever said so. I think there is a lot that's not understood because it's not easy to talk about sensitive subjects without people getting upset, or misunderstood/misunderstanding intentions.

Oh it's an absolute minefield! You'd hope that everybody would get the understanding and help they need. Unfortunately the whole sexuality and gender identity issue has got to a point where I think confusion reigns. I personally think we have to start from the (at present known) station that sex is fixed at conception and cannot be changed. That some individuals experience dysphoria is undoubtedly true, and every help must be given to them to enable them to live productive happy lives. For a tiny minority the treatment will involve surgery and lifelong dependency on artificial hormones. I'd have hoped this would be the last resort, not the first port of call. It really worries me that children are being put on this pathway to lifelong medication, when watchful waiting, alongside supportive counselling could bring them to the conclusion that homosexuality is equally valid to heterosexuality, and could result in happy, productive lifestyles.

Good points sillydevil.

I'm not making digs

I didn't mention names... I don't always remember who said what but I don't need to name, it's not a dig to say I've been told something

Again, personal comments Rosie

My job is to support children's learning not to teach my opinions to anyone. We support childre to learn in the ways that work best for them and formulate their own ideas and opinions...

I've also said this several times

And I am a very good teaching assistant. Plenty of areas of my life are probably a bit messy but everyone is good at something and that's one thing I'm incredibly proud of

You cannot hurt me with that one.

So who has the major problem, that should be addressed. Hate crimes recorded in England and Wales 2021/2022 Ending March 2022. Race: 109,843, Religion: 8,730, Sexual orientation: 26,152, Disability: 14,242, Transgender: 4,355. A transgender hate crime can be recorded as using the wrong pronoun, The highest ever number of rapes was recorded by police in the year ending March 2022: 70,330 (and research shows 5 in 6 women who are raped don’t report it) - Other sexual offences: 124,353. 98% of the perpetrator(s) were born males. Will predators takes advantages of situations or the change in laws. No it will never happen, Asked Priests, Scouts Master, Gym Teachers, Celebrities or the Police it never happens,

VS my grandson attends a specialist school for children with complex special needs. Every day I give thanks that I believe his teachers and teaching assistants are properly grounded. More than once this assumption has been confirmed. If you were his TA I'd be very worried. Sorry if this offends but I'm looking out for my grandson who actually thinks teachers and TAs have some sort of insight!!!

OnwardandUpward

@Rosie51 I don't think anyone should be told to transition to male , ever and certainly not because they are struggling with periods and female things. I mean, we all suffer with those! I even wondered if my friend was a Lesbian really who felt it more acceptable to live as a man, although I have not ever said so. I think there is a lot that's not understood because it's not easy to talk about sensitive subjects without people getting upset, or misunderstood/misunderstanding intentions.

I understand that there is some evidence that this happens when children appear to their parents to be gay. Parents are happier with having a child 'in the wrong body' than one who is homosexual, so they encourage the child down the transition route.

It would be a shame if that were the case with your friend. Younger people have it a lot easier where LGB issues are concerned, but still it seems that there are parents who can't face up to having a gay child.

You will obviously find solutions? Good luck with that. And how will you know that what you see as a solution is what transpeople want? There is something of the saviour complex about that idea.

And as for people saying that it is not up to women to find solutions - that was me, as you probably know, so why not just say so* - it really isn't. It's not that I don't care, it's just that I am not obsessed with trans issues, and don't see it as my role to find solutions to problems that need not exist if people didn't insist that they could change sex. And I don't 'moan'. I express opinions.

* not naming people but making digs at them does not equate to being 'respectful' or mean that the remarks are not personal, you know.

@Rosie51 I don't think anyone should be told to transition to male , ever and certainly not because they are struggling with periods and female things. I mean, we all suffer with those! I even wondered if my friend was a Lesbian really who felt it more acceptable to live as a man, although I have not ever said so. I think there is a lot that's not understood because it's not easy to talk about sensitive subjects without people getting upset, or misunderstood/misunderstanding intentions.

Do you enjoy lol ing all over Gransnet? VS? It is seen by everybody that reads these threads that you can never post links to the studies you've read. I call BS!

OnwardandUpward

I agree that it would be appalling behaviour to tell anyone that they can't be who they are @Violetsky

Deep down I have concerns and misgivings, but I would keep them to myself out of respect. Gender Dysphoria is not something I'd wish on anyone, but it definitely needs to be in the medical notes so that Dr's can approach sensitively.

There are a lot of concerns shared by intersectional feminists which includes trans people

We will obviously find solutions that promote equality and resect

And luckily there is quite a few of us

because I've been told by GC feminists several times that they don't feel its up to them to find solutions... they just enjoy a moan lol

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If it makes you feel better to think that Rosie

VioletSky

No I said I'd read them through the group where they have been shared.

I'm really trying here

No I don't think you did make clear you'd read them through a group. Is it impossible for you to provide a link so us mere mortals may also read these scientific studies? The cynical may begin to wonder if they actually exist, or whether you've been duped by the group.

OnwardandUpward

I agree that it would be appalling behaviour to tell anyone that they can't be who they are @Violetsky

Deep down I have concerns and misgivings, but I would keep them to myself out of respect. Gender Dysphoria is not something I'd wish on anyone, but it definitely needs to be in the medical notes so that Dr's can approach sensitively.

I follow a lovely butch lesbian on twitter who suffers dreadful body dysphoria even though she is married to a very feminine lesbian and they have a family. Periods are a nightmare to her, and a real struggle, but despite the TRAs constantly telling her she should transition to male, she is content with her female sex, if not with its bodily functions.

No I said I'd read them through the group where they have been shared.

I'm really trying here

I agree that it would be appalling behaviour to tell anyone that they can't be who they are @Violetsky

Deep down I have concerns and misgivings, but I would keep them to myself out of respect. Gender Dysphoria is not something I'd wish on anyone, but it definitely needs to be in the medical notes so that Dr's can approach sensitively.

VioletSky

It's called common decency and respect not to walk up to a trans person or a friend or relative and say "you can't change sex and you are actually a man\woman"

They have gender dysphoria they absolutely have far greater understanding than you claim for yourself

Decency and respect is not a GC trait

Evidence of anybody doing that VS or just more of your made up rubbish? Decency and respect for women is not a TRA trait. See, we can all adopt that approach. I've been respectful, honest, kind in all my posts and the TRAs on this thread have been vile and victimised me. Recognise yourself? Or do you think I've strayed into fantasy?

VioletSky

It's called common decency and respect not to walk up to a trans person or a friend or relative and say "you can't change sex and you are actually a man\woman"

They have gender dysphoria they absolutely have far greater understanding than you claim for yourself

Decency and respect is not a GC trait

Who has done that? Anyone on GN, or is it in your head?

VioletSky

Rosie51

Every time this thread updates I think it will be VS providing a link to the studies she has read. And every time I'm disappointed. Do you intend to share the studies or not VS? It seems so odd to mention them but then to keep them secret.

I have already said

The link I posted will tell you the relevant studies and a brief summary of their findings. Some studies are accessible and some have articles about them

Or you could join an intersectional feminist group where there are women with full access and the education to explain it all to you

Intersectional feminists are lovely people

Oh is that the link to the Wikipedia summary? I thought you had read actual scientific studies. The Wicki page only summarises. My mistake I read your comment I've read many of the actual studies as meaning you'd actually read the studies, not just a summary on Wicki. I'll pass on joining any groups thanks, I don't suppose you'd be receptive to being told to join a group whose initial premise is that transwomen are most definitely male sex. Such a shame, I thought we were going to be directed to actual studies not pseudo-scientific, not peer reviewed musings.

It's called common decency and respect not to walk up to a trans person or a friend or relative and say "you can't change sex and you are actually a man\woman"

They have gender dysphoria they absolutely have far greater understanding than you claim for yourself

Decency and respect is not a GC trait

Well I know that you can't change a person's Chromosomes or skeleton to another gender.

I once knew a man who was really screwed up because he looked like a man to me and had been born male, but during some health problems he had been xrayed and told he had a female skeleton. His Chromosomes were male, so he was reassured but shaken. Maybe it's not always clear cut as we would hope.