Petition : *Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex*

Thank you Mollygo

Today 23:28 FarNorth
I’ll sleep better for reading that post.
Thank you.
Also, I’ve distributed the link amongst family, friends and colleagues, though I obviously don’t know if all will sign.
I’ve had several responses thanking me for raising awareness that that actually needs doing.

Btw, it's really nice when someone pops in, undeterred by the bickering, to say "Signed".

There are almost 22,000 signatures now, most of them from GN, I expect

Most shoppers don't shoplift, but everyone accepts that shops take precautions because of those who do.

Most airline passengers aren't terrorists, but everyone accepts that airlines take precautions because of those who are.

Most men cause no problem to anyone but everyone accepts that at least some precautions are necessary because of those who do.

Most trans people cause no problem to anyone but everyone accepts..... hmm, yes, it falls apart a bit there.

DaisyAnne

Galaxy
Many women are impacted by men in single sex spaces. I am not impacted thankfully by many things that doesnt mean I don't care about them.

Rubish. Really?

Mine life has been impacted by TW in female spaces. How did I know he was a male? He made it quite obvious. ( Like most TIM , he still had a penis, just in case you weren’t sure about that.)
In addition, females, with whom I am closely acquainted , on a mental health ward, where some were already traumatised by males were told by nursing staff that the TIM walking round with his gown open at the front could not be removed as they would be accused of homophobia.

Then, my DGD was deprived of a medal at a gala because a cheating male was allowed to enter a girl’s race. Thankfully that has been disallowed.

I know, you and others have made it clear that because there aren’t what you see as enough of these events, the rights and needs of females are less important than your support of all trans.

This support, not of transpeople, which has not been an issue for me, or any of the posters I’ve read, but of the actions of TIM like those mentioned frequently on threads like this, means that many more females will be impacted.

At what level of impact on females by the ill-intentioned TIM, would you consider that their behaviour should be checked?

Laws tend to be made on the assumption that most people will not be impacted by the things being made illegal. They are there in the hope of preventing them from happening, and to make it clear that certain behaviour is undesirable.

My everyday life is not impacted by drug dealing, but that doesn't mean that I don't care about County Lines or addicts on the streets.

We seem to have gone down another rabbit hole - in and out of all the phobias to Brexit via bullying . The bottom line remains the same though - sex and gender are not the same thing, and changing sex is not possible.

But brilliant well thought through response daisyanne.

Do you think the women are lying? I did not mention Brexit.

Galaxy

Many women are impacted by men in single sex spaces. I am not impacted thankfully by many things that doesnt mean I dont care about them.

Proportionately, there is no comparison, at all. But I wouldn't have even considered bringing Brexit into this discussion. It was not me that did it!

Galaxy

Many women are impacted by men in single sex spaces. I am not impacted thankfully by many things that doesnt mean I dont care about them.

Rubish.

Signed.

Many women are impacted by men in single sex spaces. I am not impacted thankfully by many things that doesnt mean I dont care about them.

Mollygo

Fleurpepper
My last comment on this thread . . .

Was that a typo too?

lol, probably.

MadameChirac (is that you, really?)- there is one massive difference. My everyday life is not affected by Trans people, at all. The Country is not affected by trans people, neither is the economy. Unlike... well, the other.

M0nica

Why then do you take part in them DaisyAnne and growstuff. Without your contributions the thread would have died very quickly.

I don't usually. Look back at what I actually wrote on this thread. I was being bullied to give my reasons for not signing by being accused of being a misogynist and supporting male supremacy, which is totally ridiculous.

I contributed to the thread about the Princess Grace Hospital because I wanted to debunk all the myths which were flying around. Once such nonsense gets repeated, it becomes normalised.

In your world, are people just supposed to accept bullying without challenging it?

I can only agree growstuff. On, and on, and on, and on.

A bit like the constant droning on and on and on and on about Brexit?

The stupidity of it is I neither agree nor disagree. I don't believe any "opinion" simply becomes a truth because it is somebody believes they know the truth.

So, I will wait and find out just what conclusions those who are much, much more knowledgeable than me and all the posting Gransnetters, come to. It could be years.

However, I do not accept bullying wherever it comes from.

Why then do you take part in them DaisyAnne and growstuff. Without your contributions the thread would have died very quickly.

growstuff

Esspee

I have signed and am totally sick of gransnet being taken over by those who think that anyone born a male or female can opt to change that. It is biologically impossible. Let's get back to the real world.

Suits me! Just how many threads have there been on trans issues? It would appear those who are obsessed by the topic are the ones taking over GN.

I can only agree growstuff. On, and on, and on, and on.

Over 20,000 signatures on the petition, at the end of its first full day.

Excellent post Doodledog

FarNorth

We are often told that 'gender critical' people are missing the point because sex & gender are two different things.

Yet no-one ever explains why a change of gender should also be treated as if it is a change of sex.

And I really don't understand why anyone objects to clarification of the law to say that the word 'sex' means biological sex.

I agree.

The Equality Act used the term sex to denote biological sex. It has helped women not be discriminated against because they were born female. Some organisations have taken it upon themselves to substitute the word 'gender' instead of sex when listing these, intentionally in many cases to cause confusion. This is why there is this petition to clarify that it means biological sex. Women weren't denied the vote because they wore dresses, they were denied the vote because of their natal sex. Putting on a shirt and trousers didn't magically allow them to vote, their sex hadn't changed.

Transgender people are covered by the gender reassignment element. It is not about accepting or not accepting transgender people.

Yes excellent post Doodledog

Fleurpepper
My last comment on this thread . . .

Was that a typo too?

Lol no

Esspee

I never said that this thread was started by those who believe that females can become males and vice versa. It has been hijacked, as so many threads these days are, by those who are preoccupied with the idea that sex can be changed.
Fortunately I don't have a horse in this race. I was trained as a scientist but common sense is quite enough. Boys are boys and girls are girls. You may choose to live as whatever you fancy but you can't change biology.

Read it again, please.

Yes, spectacularly wrong.

Another great post Doodledog.