Petition : *Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex*

Caleo

Esspee, it seems common sense to me too. However biological sex is an occasion for science despite it may be counter intuitive.

It may (be counterintuitive) for some, and there is no reason at all IMO why those for whom that is the case shouldn’t live as they wish. I am completely supportive of legal rights against harassment and discrimination against those who do. The petition isn’t about that though. It is about sex-based rights.

I’m not being nosy (well, maybe I am ), but your story sounds interesting. Obviously no pressure to share, but I would like to hear it if you don’t mind doing so.

I believe gender is generally a range of stereotypes imposed by society, so very happy to fight against gender, that has no impact on what sex you are.

Esspee, it seems common sense to me too. However biological sex is an occasion for science despite it may be counter intuitive.

Caleo

Esspee. I bow down before thy scientific knowledge

Just common sense, that's all.

DaisyAnne

DaisyAnne

Mollygo

DaisyAnne

How arrogant of you to twist my words like that.
I presume that’s how you read it because you don’t agree with it. You don’t have to agree with it and I didn’t tell you you should.
There are so many much better examples than mine on GN of people telling others that their opinion is wrong, though I doubt if they see themselves as arrogant.

I did not "twist your words". If you cannot make yourself clear that is your issue not mine.

What you said Mollygo was By not signing, they make it quite clear that for them, male supremacy still rules, even if he’s wearing a dress!

That is more than arrogant and a great deal less than discussion. If you make such deliberately disparaging and belittling comments, it shows all we need to know about the ability of the person making it to form a reasoned opinion.

Is there some kind of instruction book to attack those who don't agree with anti-trans rules? They always seem to come up with the same claim about male supremacy, which is a "non sequitur" totally ridiculous.

Esspee

I have signed and am totally sick of gransnet being taken over by those who think that anyone born a male or female can opt to change that. It is biologically impossible. Let's get back to the real world.

Suits me! Just how many threads have there been on trans issues? It would appear those who are obsessed by the topic are the ones taking over GN.

Esspee. I bow down before thy scientific knowledge

DaisyAnne

Mollygo

DaisyAnne

How arrogant of you to twist my words like that.
I presume that’s how you read it because you don’t agree with it. You don’t have to agree with it and I didn’t tell you you should.
There are so many much better examples than mine on GN of people telling others that their opinion is wrong, though I doubt if they see themselves as arrogant.

I did not "twist your words". If you cannot make yourself clear that is your issue not mine.

What you said Mollygo was By not signing, they make it quite clear that for them, male supremacy still rules, even if he’s wearing a dress!

That is more than arrogant and a great deal less than discussion. If you make such deliberately disparaging and belittling comments, it shows all we need to know about the ability of the person making it to form a reasoned opinion.

unbiased

I have signed and am totally sick of gransnet being taken over by those who think that anyone born a male or female can opt to change that. It is biologically impossible. Let's get back to the real world.

Far North, I don't think I wrote what you quoted. However your reply fits my claim. For about half my lifespan I experienced a body with female gonads. For most of that half I experienced female gender.

I am starting a petition for the right to genderless, sexless old age. This status will include unbaised wisdom and foresight like the witches in Macbeth who advised Banquo.

There remains the problem of people who are historically neither one or the other, or a mixture of both.

Galaxy, by "under the Equality Act" do you mean that I can claim to be any sex I like, or that I may not do so?

Or does the Equality Act apply also to 3rd persons such that I must observe their right to identify with any sex they choose to claim pertains to them?

What happens then, however, if a test is being done where the result found is fine for a male but dangerous for a female, or vice versa?

Caleo in a situation such as the above your results would need to be interpreted using your physical sex which is the same as it has been for your whole life.

Mollygo

DaisyAnne

How arrogant of you to twist my words like that.
I presume that’s how you read it because you don’t agree with it. You don’t have to agree with it and I didn’t tell you you should.
There are so many much better examples than mine on GN of people telling others that their opinion is wrong, though I doubt if they see themselves as arrogant.

I did not "twist your words". If you cannot make yourself clear that is your issue not mine.

Glorianny if a medical record is factually correct it wouldn't matter what confusion might be created by the patient saying a number of things like "I'm trans" "I'm a man" "I did a pregnancy test" "I'm not female".

Given the public statements of some trans people e.g. India Willoughby saying "I am biologically female" and "I have a cervix" it's perfectly possible that a distressed patient would make confusing statements about themself.

If the medical staff are to disregard the sex signifier on all records and regard everyone as possibly female & equally possibly male, there is no point in that signifier being there at all.

What happens then, however, if a test is being done where the result found is fine for a male but dangerous for a female, or vice versa?

You know the protected characteristics that include race, disability, age etc.

Under the equality act.

Galaxy, protected by whom?

Daisy Ann, abuse of posters' ideas and posts is and should be par for the course on all internet forums. Ideas pertain to the 1st person singular and are not his or her identity. So don't bother about criticism.

It's a protected characteristic for one thing Caleo.

What is biological sex? I have a small beard on my chin and no functioning gonads and claim to be a woman for historical reasons .

Thanks for the link I’ve signed and have asked my MP her position on this.

Thank you for the link. Signed.

And so it begins.
That is why my suggestion to ignore aggressive or personal remarks is indeed a good one.

DaisyAnne

How arrogant of you to twist my words like that.
I presume that’s how you read it because you don’t agree with it. You don’t have to agree with it and I didn’t tell you you should.
There are so many much better examples than mine on GN of people telling others that their opinion is wrong, though I doubt if they see themselves as arrogant.