Asylum seekers

09:34Glorianny

Oh well that's all right then one lovely Albanian gang member/people smuggler on the train who has good manners, so let's let them all in 😂

There was a lovely Albanian man on the train the other day. He offered me his hand when I stood up (it is getting harder these days). He was very caring and respectful towards the girl he was with as well. Spoke excellent English. Who knows he might have been a gang member or a people smuggler. But if so then their criminals have much better manners than ours!

The House of Commons published a research briefing document on migration which is a full report with supporting documents . Dated 22 September 2022. Well it’s raining here at the moment…..
Wonder what the critical news item will be for next ten days?

Remind me, who said

“All you have to do is find someone to blame (for your incompetence) and keep repeating the lies” ?

Yes there migh

Albanians are the latest scapegoat for Tory incompetence.

The pattern is clear ever since they took office.

Albanian gangs have been known about throughout this past decade, and before we left the EU we were able to cooperate with them in controlling their activities.

There is nothing new about Albanian activities.

What is new, however is Tory incompetence and their unwillingness to cooperate with Europe in dealing with the issue.

Gangs exist, Tory incompetence exists.

Focusing on the Albanian gangs and not the reason for their apparent success is not going to solve the problem.

Aye, fair enough. My rants tend to be based on reality though, not imagination and hatefulness.

Says the prolific ranter 😂

Fine by me.

I get so fed up arguing facts with those who won't listen.

Best to just let them rant into the void now.

Yes I agree MerylStreep the BBC and the MSM didn't want to talk about the so called invasion but Suella Braverman has now brought this out in the open so they can't ignore it. Not only Albanians but Interpols most wanted criminals have entered the UK on the dinghies. Yes I have every sympathy for genuine refugees fleeing war etc but even they have paid criminal gangs a lot of money to get here and passed through numerous EU countries so I even struggle to have sympathy for them.

Yes the government has been in power for 12 years but now the situation has escalated and people have had enough especially when they see mainly fit young males in warm 4 star hotels, fed 3 meals a day, access to healthcare (because its there human rights don't you know and a quick phone call to their lefty lawyer if things don't pan out who by the way are lining their pockets with legal aid money at our expense).

The talk of Albanian gangs was referred to as nonsense.
Now that the sainted BBC are are talking about it will it be believed?

JenniferEccles

The truth is finally out.
The headline news on the BBC website states that criminal Albanian gangs are recruiting Albanians in the camps in France to work in the UK drugs industry, by offering to pay their expenses.

If this isn’t the impetus to do something about these migrants, I don’t know what is.

And how about the Home Office employees who have been found offering to sell drugs at Manston asylum centre.

growstuff
The NCA together with the Spanish police had a success story at the beginning of October by breaking up an Albanian people smuggling gang. Albanian People Smuggling Gang are the words used by our own NCA officers.

The people landing on Shakespeare Beach have no intention of claiming asylum. For obvious reasons they don’t want our authorities to be aware of them. They certainly don’t want their photos taken or fingerprinted which is what happens when they enter a detention centre.

Skydancer

I cannot even begin to imagine what these people go through. But how can we, or other countries, keep on taking people in? How are they to be funded, housed, educated etc? I'm not saying we shouldn't accept migrants but am asking a genuine question.

All the people on the boats are would-be migrants Skydancer, but not all migrants arrive in dinghies or are asylum seekers. I know migrants who are university researchers, small business owners, NHS employees... And all are UK citizens, now.

It suits the government to make out that all migrants are a drain on resources. But most migrants contribute to our country. The people I know who I mentioned above run businesses which employ people, pay taxes, and contribute significantly to the society in which we all live. So, given the opportunity, they fund themselves; some of them build houses; some of them are teachers in the schools.

Migrants are not a drain on resources, it's not a zero sum game where we only have a fixed pot of resources to draw from; migrants increase the size of the pot. Remember we have a shortage of working people here in the UK and the population is getting older. We need more people here who want to work and are able to do so.

If we had a functioning system, we would be able to check the people arriving in this country by whatever means and deport the people who have no right to stay here - including the "Albanian drug dealers" we hear so much about. But it suits the government to use "others" to cover up their own inadequacies.

MerylStreep

Glorianny
The people landing at these beaches are not calling for help.
They will be picked up, but by their own people. It won’t be a limo, too obvious.

Many of them are genuine asylum seekers and are calling for help. The Border Agency and Home Office are so under-resourced that they can't control what's going on. It's possible too late now. The National Crime Agency is also underfunded and, since Brexit, has found co-operation with France and Belgium more difficult. Trafficking networks and criminal gangs have taken hold and it's going to take a massive effort to shift them.

I cannot even begin to imagine what these people go through. But how can we, or other countries, keep on taking people in? How are they to be funded, housed, educated etc? I'm not saying we shouldn't accept migrants but am asking a genuine question.

Glorianny
The people landing at these beaches are not calling for help.
They will be picked up, but by their own people. It won’t be a limo, too obvious.

vegansrock

Only 4% migrants get their claims heard within 12 months - this indicates the system is not fit for purpose and it hasn’t been for years.

That's the underlying problem. What happens is that those with legitimate claims are left languishing for months or years, not allowed to work and contribute to society. Those with criminal tendencies slip through the system and get involved with established gangs. They're prepared to risk it because they know they won't get caught for a while. The police, the Border Agency and the National Crime Agency need more investment.

Only 4% migrants get their claims heard within 12 months - this indicates the system is not fit for purpose and it hasn’t been for years.

Good post Terribull
I think Albania wants to join the EU but can’t see it happening any time soon.
Albanian men should be quickly sorted out by HO officials and sent back.

TerriBull That seems a good summary and coincides with what I've read about Albanians. Relatively few of them are granted asylum in the UK, apart from trafficked females.

It would make more sense for richer countries to support Albania to become a modern, democratic and prosperous state, which people don't want to leave. Otherwise, it's going to become a political vacuum and open invitation for Russian influence.

MerylStreep

Gloriannie
The majority are not coming into Dover. The majority are landing on Shakespeare Beach and Samphire Hoe.

Oh yes. A 30 min journey by road. No one would do that to people would they? No doubt they are put in a limo and checked into the nearest 5 star.

Yes must be hard for them GG

Terribull our local Albanian friends are extremely worried.

As someone posted up thread, it's pretty easy to distinguish between those who are coming from Afghanistan for example, in need of a safe haven, as opposed to young Albanian men who do not.

When Albania opened up its borders many left the country, which was understandable when the population had suffered a hard life under a despot. Its proximity to Corfu in particular, a mere couple of miles away I believe and further afield parts of Southern Italy make those a gateway to access the rest of Europe easily. Albania is a relatively small country with an ever diminishing population, less than 3 million, they need their young back to help it flourish. I mentioned up thread, it is tipped to become the next hot spot in the Mediterranean, its coastlines are, lovely, like adjacent countries that border it. It's very unfortunate that Albania has become synonymous with drugs, allegedly they pretty much have the monopoly on the illegal cocaine trade in London so it's easy to imagine just where those new arrivals will end up along with terrorised youngsters who get sucked into county lines. There's an irony that young Afghan men are fleeing their country because they are at risk being drafted into The Taliban, Albanian young men don't have that duress until they reach these shores when they may find themselves forced to join a criminal underworld with all the dangers that go with that. With that in mind, how much better it would be for them to return home to be part of something legitimate rather than endanger not only their lives but the lives of young kids here. For established law abiding settled Albanians, I imagine like Mexicans in the US, they must be sick of having their identities tarnished by the one dimensional view of their countries' associations of gangs or cartels.