Is Britain Broken?

With PR it's possible that there will be a number of small parties but at least a consensus can be reached. Under the current system that is impossible. People keep forgetting that although the govt gained a majority of 80 seats, the number of actual votes was less than the combined opposition parties, as has been the case for most of the last century and this one.

Casdon

Grany can I ask you something? Why are you still in the Labour Party?

Granny isn't really. Such people are in a small clique. Roll on PR. Then, by supporting the far left, such voters will be able to have the small minority of MPs that actually represent those who would vote for such politics. They may vote with the Labour Party occasionally but will spend much of their time spitting venom at the left of centre voter allowing the right to get away with far too much - just as they do now.

The tragedy is that there are thousands of other homes that are not fit to live in

What can you expect from the Tories? They don't care about ordinary people. Too busy failing to investigate Covid frauds.

An utter tragedy which should never happen in a civilised country.

A child has died from poverty and mould growing in his home.

What a disgraceful legacy the Tories have given this country.

Eustace was a member of UKIP

Australia free trade deal a failure for UK, says George Eustice

Former environment secretary George Eustice has savaged the UK's free trade deal with Australia and criticised Liz Truss's role in negotiating it.

Mr Eustice, who helped secure the agreement, told a Commons debate that it was "not actually a very good deal for the UK".

It was the first post-Brexit deal negotiated from scratch.

But Mr Eustice argued it gave away "too much" after the then trade secretary Ms Truss "shattered" the UK's negotiation.

At the time the government estimated the Australia-UK Free Trade Agreement, signed on 17 December 2021, would unlock £10.4bn of additional trade while ending tariffs on all UK exports.

The deal also removed some visa rules. Young people are now able to work and travel in Australia for up to three years. UK architects, scientists, researchers, lawyers and accountants can also access work visas without being subject to Australia's skilled occupation list.

Mr Eustice told the Commons that now he is on the backbenches he "no longer has to put such a positive gloss on what was agreed".

Overall the UK "gave away far too much for far too little in return", he told MPs.

This includes giving Australia or New Zealand full access to the UK market to sell beef and sheep, while Australia still bans the import of British beef, he added.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63627801

Back in 2014 George Eustace played up his former UKIP to establish his credentials in the Tory Party as a true believer in brexit

growstuff

London loses position as most valuable European stock market

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63623502

Oh dear!

It’s not jus Paris that has benefitted from Londons loss, Frankfurt, Zurich and others have increased volume as well.

Brexit has been massively beneficial - to the EU.

Grantanow

Oh dear. The original question of this thread has been waylaid by a squabble about anti-Semitism in the Labour Party which is not going to get us anywhere on whether the UK 8s broken. Just saying.

Sorry! I was probably responsible for that.

I tried to get the thread back on track with my last post about the London stock market.

The country is well and truly broken.

Oh dear. The original question of this thread has been waylaid by a squabble about anti-Semitism in the Labour Party which is not going to get us anywhere on whether the UK 8s broken. Just saying.

London loses position as most valuable European stock market

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63623502

Oh dear!

Iam64

Fleurpepper

Grany

growstuff

Grany

Labour is purging left-wingers from Parliamentary selection lists. Here’s how

Labour Hub has reproduced an important twitter thread by Angus Satow on Keir Starmer’s purge and the implications for Britain’s democracy.

I reproduce it in full below, in view of its importance:
voxpoliticalonline.com/2022/11/13/labour-is-purging-left-wingers-from-parliamentary-selection-lists-heres-how/#comments

What do you think of Starmer for doing that?

Also Labour is influenced by the Isreal lobby A foreign country

One of the first comments under that article speaks of "I am a Socialist but I shall NEVER EVER vote for Starmer aka Starmer’s Jewish wife who calls the pro-Zionist shots." Is it any wonder that people have accuse the Labour Part of being anti-semitic?

Starmer is pro Zionism he won't condem Isreal as an apartheid state.

He won't have Jewish members who are supportive of Palestinians in the party.

If a member Jewish or not supports Palestine they are booted out. Are they the wrong type of Jew?

Evidence, please.

Yes where’s the evidence that anyone who supports Palestine is booted out? My Jewish friends who don’t support the Israeli government on Palestine haven’t been kicked out.
Your posts are all about one thing Grany. Stopping a Labour govt ever being elected

Very interesting video- and I agree with so much of what he says. We also have Jewish friends who left Israel as they just could not stand by and watch the destruction and subjugation of the Palestinian people. I am totally anti-zionism, and as said agree with a lot he says- and I have been accused of being antisemitic- which is utter nonsense.

What is the alternative to an electable Labour Party? Tories again, and again some more. Give me Keir Starmer 1000 times and more, and NO he is not just another Tory, at all. And he is not anti-Palestinian- but he had to be very strict because of the accusations of the media.

I am a member of 3 parties, Lib Dems, Labour and Greens- and will support a coalition. And will do all I can to persuade Starmer that Brexit was a massive, undemocratic mistake, and the we need to rejoin Single Market and re-open FMOP.

I agree with you Growstuff. Some of the comments about Starmer’s wife are appalling and anti semitic
Like you, I found allegations of antisemitism in the LP difficult to believe but increasingly difficult to deny
Almost all the Jewish people I know lost family in the holocaust. Feinstein being in thst category doesn’t mean we have to follow his is et belief systems

Grany Anybody who says they won't vote Labour because Starmer's wife is Jewish is anti-semitic. Unfortunately, it's not the only time I've come across that reasoning.

A few years ago, I thought it's ridiculous to think that Labour is anti-semitic, but I've become more aware of it and I'm afraid my opinion is that it is true. I've seen it on social media and even heard people in real life say things I've hardly been able to believe.

Mollygo

That’s a video. Anyone can do it and put it on YouTube.
I’m fascinated by your dislikes Grany. Is there anyone or any group you do actually approve of, yourself excepted of course?

Andrew Feinstein is not just anyone he is Jewish and knows what he is talking about.
In the video.

Andrew Feinstein was born in Cape Town to Jewish parents Josef Feinstein and Erika Hemmer.[1] Nearly 40 members of Hemmer's family were murdered during the Holocaust,[2] whilst she herself hid from the Nazis in Vienna.[3]

Feinstein graduated from Wynberg Boys' High School in Cape Town in 1981; he then attended the University of Cape Town, the University of California at Berkeley, and King's College, Cambridge.[4]

That’s a video. Anyone can do it and put it on YouTube.
I’m fascinated by your dislikes Grany. Is there anyone or any group you do actually approve of, yourself excepted of course?

Grany

Iam64

Fleurpepper

Grany

growstuff

Grany

Labour is purging left-wingers from Parliamentary selection lists. Here’s how

Labour Hub has reproduced an important twitter thread by Angus Satow on Keir Starmer’s purge and the implications for Britain’s democracy.

I reproduce it in full below, in view of its importance:
voxpoliticalonline.com/2022/11/13/labour-is-purging-left-wingers-from-parliamentary-selection-lists-heres-how/#comments

What do you think of Starmer for doing that?

Also Labour is influenced by the Isreal lobby A foreign country

One of the first comments under that article speaks of "I am a Socialist but I shall NEVER EVER vote for Starmer aka Starmer’s Jewish wife who calls the pro-Zionist shots." Is it any wonder that people have accuse the Labour Part of being anti-semitic?

Starmer is pro Zionism he won't condem Isreal as an apartheid state.

He won't have Jewish members who are supportive of Palestinians in the party.

If a member Jewish or not supports Palestine they are booted out. Are they the wrong type of Jew?

Evidence, please.

Yes where’s the evidence that anyone who supports Palestine is booted out? My Jewish friends who don’t support the Israeli government on Palestine haven’t been kicked out.
Your posts are all about one thing Grany. Stopping a Labour govt ever being elected

Did you watch all the video that's explains it all, about anyone who shows their support of Palestine are called anti Semitic? And not welcome in Labour Party.

Here it is video

m.youtube.com/watch?v=EPe8UhJLZ_8

Iam64

Fleurpepper

Grany

growstuff

Grany

Labour is purging left-wingers from Parliamentary selection lists. Here’s how

Labour Hub has reproduced an important twitter thread by Angus Satow on Keir Starmer’s purge and the implications for Britain’s democracy.

I reproduce it in full below, in view of its importance:
voxpoliticalonline.com/2022/11/13/labour-is-purging-left-wingers-from-parliamentary-selection-lists-heres-how/#comments

What do you think of Starmer for doing that?

Also Labour is influenced by the Isreal lobby A foreign country

One of the first comments under that article speaks of "I am a Socialist but I shall NEVER EVER vote for Starmer aka Starmer’s Jewish wife who calls the pro-Zionist shots." Is it any wonder that people have accuse the Labour Part of being anti-semitic?

Starmer is pro Zionism he won't condem Isreal as an apartheid state.

He won't have Jewish members who are supportive of Palestinians in the party.

If a member Jewish or not supports Palestine they are booted out. Are they the wrong type of Jew?

Evidence, please.

Yes where’s the evidence that anyone who supports Palestine is booted out? My Jewish friends who don’t support the Israeli government on Palestine haven’t been kicked out.
Your posts are all about one thing Grany. Stopping a Labour govt ever being elected

Did you watch all the video that's explains it all, about anyone who shows their support of Palestine are called anti Semitic? And not welcome in Labour Party.

Fleurpepper

Grany

growstuff

Grany

Labour is purging left-wingers from Parliamentary selection lists. Here’s how

Labour Hub has reproduced an important twitter thread by Angus Satow on Keir Starmer’s purge and the implications for Britain’s democracy.

I reproduce it in full below, in view of its importance:
voxpoliticalonline.com/2022/11/13/labour-is-purging-left-wingers-from-parliamentary-selection-lists-heres-how/#comments

What do you think of Starmer for doing that?

Also Labour is influenced by the Isreal lobby A foreign country

One of the first comments under that article speaks of "I am a Socialist but I shall NEVER EVER vote for Starmer aka Starmer’s Jewish wife who calls the pro-Zionist shots." Is it any wonder that people have accuse the Labour Part of being anti-semitic?

Starmer is pro Zionism he won't condem Isreal as an apartheid state.

He won't have Jewish members who are supportive of Palestinians in the party.

If a member Jewish or not supports Palestine they are booted out. Are they the wrong type of Jew?

Evidence, please.

Yes where’s the evidence that anyone who supports Palestine is booted out? My Jewish friends who don’t support the Israeli government on Palestine haven’t been kicked out.
Your posts are all about one thing Grany. Stopping a Labour govt ever being elected

Fleurpepper

Grany

growstuff

Grany

Labour is purging left-wingers from Parliamentary selection lists. Here’s how

Labour Hub has reproduced an important twitter thread by Angus Satow on Keir Starmer’s purge and the implications for Britain’s democracy.

I reproduce it in full below, in view of its importance:
voxpoliticalonline.com/2022/11/13/labour-is-purging-left-wingers-from-parliamentary-selection-lists-heres-how/#comments

What do you think of Starmer for doing that?

Also Labour is influenced by the Isreal lobby A foreign country

One of the first comments under that article speaks of "I am a Socialist but I shall NEVER EVER vote for Starmer aka Starmer’s Jewish wife who calls the pro-Zionist shots." Is it any wonder that people have accuse the Labour Part of being anti-semitic?

Starmer is pro Zionism he won't condem Isreal as an apartheid state.

He won't have Jewish members who are supportive of Palestinians in the party.

If a member Jewish or not supports Palestine they are booted out. Are they the wrong type of Jew?

Evidence, please.

Here is evidence

m.youtube.com/watch?v=EPe8UhJLZ_8

As I said, it's not surprising that some people think the Labour Party is anti-semitic.

It seems there are people who would far rather criticise Starmer for being pro-Jewish and not left wing enough and let in another Conservative government.

Grany

growstuff

Grany

Labour is purging left-wingers from Parliamentary selection lists. Here’s how

Labour Hub has reproduced an important twitter thread by Angus Satow on Keir Starmer’s purge and the implications for Britain’s democracy.

I reproduce it in full below, in view of its importance:
voxpoliticalonline.com/2022/11/13/labour-is-purging-left-wingers-from-parliamentary-selection-lists-heres-how/#comments

What do you think of Starmer for doing that?

Also Labour is influenced by the Isreal lobby A foreign country

One of the first comments under that article speaks of "I am a Socialist but I shall NEVER EVER vote for Starmer aka Starmer’s Jewish wife who calls the pro-Zionist shots." Is it any wonder that people have accuse the Labour Part of being anti-semitic?

Starmer is pro Zionism he won't condem Isreal as an apartheid state.

He won't have Jewish members who are supportive of Palestinians in the party.

If a member Jewish or not supports Palestine they are booted out. Are they the wrong type of Jew?

Evidence, please.

Of course it's broken and it's a consequence of gradual decline since World War 2 which none of our political parties have managed to fix when in power. The only bright lights were the Education Act 1944, the creation of the NHS, the decision to join the EU single market and Sure Start. Otherwise, the Tories mainly and to some extent Labour have failed us, aided by the shrill voice of the right wing media and splits in the parties. Blair's government did make some progress but the Left hated him and weaponized Iraq against him. Both parties failed to regulate financial markets adequately hence the 2008 problems and failed to plan adequately for pandemics. Idiots shot the UK in the foot over Brexit. Too many countries chose to depend on Russian gas and Saudi oil. UK governments pandered to the anti-nuclear lobby. Now we are paying for 12 years of Tory ineptitude and Johnson and Truss with little prospect of better times to come or dealing with the climate crisis. Meanwhile people worry about tampongate and 'The Crown'. God help us all.

growstuff

Grany

Labour is purging left-wingers from Parliamentary selection lists. Here’s how

Labour Hub has reproduced an important twitter thread by Angus Satow on Keir Starmer’s purge and the implications for Britain’s democracy.

I reproduce it in full below, in view of its importance:
voxpoliticalonline.com/2022/11/13/labour-is-purging-left-wingers-from-parliamentary-selection-lists-heres-how/#comments

What do you think of Starmer for doing that?

Also Labour is influenced by the Isreal lobby A foreign country

One of the first comments under that article speaks of "I am a Socialist but I shall NEVER EVER vote for Starmer aka Starmer’s Jewish wife who calls the pro-Zionist shots." Is it any wonder that people have accuse the Labour Part of being anti-semitic?

Starmer is pro Zionism he won't condem Isreal as an apartheid state.

He won't have Jewish members who are supportive of Palestinians in the party.

If a member Jewish or not supports Palestine they are booted out. Are they the wrong type of Jew?