Will the corruption ever end? Gavin Williamson resigns

it is not corruption as there is no indication of Williamson paying for his job BUT a sign of poor judgement by Sunak. Friendship has to be ignored when choosing people for jobs. I think any pay should be on a basis of pro-rata basis . What other job gives this amount of severance pay for such a small time in post? Why should the tax payer have to foot the bill for Truss and other ministers time in post for a few weeks ?

Beware! Anyone perceived to be calling people names on GN or alluding to them in particular ways is enough for “some posters” to succeed in getting those doing it banned if they don’t like it.
Do I approve of all Suella Braverman’s actions? No-although she is a barrister so perhaps that’s what barristers do.
Do I think using name calling, (the sort of thing that goes on in playground bullying) makes posters appear any better than her? ?? If you call one person names, are you just as likely to refer to others unkindly?

OP Title Will corruption ever end?
No, no matter who is in power. Certainly I hope it will be noticed and acted on much more quickly in future. I’ve seen more than enough corrupt practices in the last few years, both from the politicians and from those who fraudulently claimed and kept grants during Covid.
Was Gavin Williamson fit for the post?
No, nor for a role in Education.
Was he corrupt?

How long has the list of dangerous MPs been circulating?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11416711/Labour-MP-Charlotte-Nichols-reveals-whisper-network-list-FORTY-dangerous-politicians.html

At the time, my friends were devastated at an apparent rejection, although now they are very happy to have stayed here!

We do it too. Here’s the Home Office Guidance.
‘Although the UK does not bar applicants based on prospective excessive demand on social or health services, applicants can be refused where they may require “major medical treatment” and there are insufficient compassionate grounds to issue a waiver.’
Except where a parent is required for an extremely desirable role, the facility to refuse entry because of a child with disabilities is no doubt utilised - there are far more applicants than capacity.

ronib

undines

Surely someone who calls desperate souls risking their lives on the seas to escape persecution as an 'invasion' does deserve the name 'Cruella'?

I know of a family who were refused settlement rights to live in Australia because one of their children has Downs Syndrome. The Australian government refused to take responsibility as my godson was likely to be an incumbrance on the state.

How do you feel about this. Was it fair in your opinion?

I remember seeing a beautiful film about a Sicilian family arriving at Ellis Island New York after WW1. They were screened for fleas, nits, diseases, state of teeth, etc. And the boy was interwied and tested for 'intelligence'. All his answers were totally logical and showed great practical common sense. He had never been to school, but knew how to live, count and survive in his own way- working as a sheperd. Most of the group was accepted, but he and his grand-mother refused and sent back. So tragic and moving.

I don't think Australia is a great role model as far as immigration is concerned.

undines

Surely someone who calls desperate souls risking their lives on the seas to escape persecution as an 'invasion' does deserve the name 'Cruella'?

I know of a family who were refused settlement rights to live in Australia because one of their children has Downs Syndrome. The Australian government refused to take responsibility as my godson was likely to be an incumbrance on the state.

English lessons for us all then MOnica?

Surely someone who calls desperate souls risking their lives on the seas to escape persecution as an 'invasion' does deserve the name 'Cruella'?

Surely the 'corruption' is by the government foisting such characters on the public and, in effect, trying to pull the wool over our eyes about their worth? Surely it is basically 'corrupt' that such people should be given ANY severance pay (or indeed any pay at all!)

Presumably RS appointed those who agreed to vote for him which included Cruella and Williamson. It would seem then that all the stuff about a government with honesty and integrity turns out to be the exact opposite. Same old comes to mind.

Good riddance.

grannyscott

I despair sometimes at the language used on some of these posts. They are similar to trolling on other social network sites when we start calling individuals “Cruella” and such like. This site should be better than that!

Given that the Home Secretary has been in post for weeks rather than years, I suggest yet another media fiction is being perpetrated. I also don’t see very much difference between personal direct vilification and the more remote written kind.

I don’t know for sure how many appointments the prime minister has made but if one or two are slightly adrift, it’s hardly the biggest disaster. In any event, GW did not stay in government very long.

It is fishy because the ERG is a secret society, with aims which are not declared, about from being anti EU. They are wagging the dog with a dangerous tail. So we know why she was re-appointed, to satisfy them. But we don't know what pressure was applied and how. What is truly fishy is that such a secret society pulls the strings and rings the bells. Fishy on speed!

Having some shadowy organisation in the background pulling strings is not the way to run an open and transparent democracy.

We should know who these people are and what are their aims.

grannyscott

I despair sometimes at the language used on some of these posts. They are similar to trolling on other social network sites when we start calling individuals “Cruella” and such like. This site should be better than that!

Braverman expressed some very harsh and misguided opinions about some of the poorest and most vulnerable people so I don’t think the name is in the extreme at all.

Wyllow3

Actually, I think it is corrupt to bully. Intimidation to get your way is corrupt imo.

Agree.

Frank Spencer may have been rather stupid, but he was kind and generous. Williamson is a rather nasty piece of goods.

Perhaps he will end up in next year's jungle after a lot of coaching on how to creep back into public favour.

I despair sometimes at the language used on some of these posts. They are similar to trolling on other social network sites when we start calling individuals “Cruella” and such like. This site should be better than that!

🎥 Sadly it’s turned into ’the shitshow’ … not sure whether it’s a disaster movie or a comedy … daily doom and gloom!
Everywhere is chaos and we are all paying the price of the generational incompetence - too many ego’s, ignorance and working for themselves rather than for the people they are supposed to serve! ~Us!
It’s no wonder we are in the mess we are.
Looking to other countries, it’s hard to find a government doing it right?
🫣 At least we won’t be invaded by alien forces … definitely be a red flag planet - one to swerve!

Casdon

I think we know why Braverman was reappointed though Fleurpepper, she’s the candidate of the far right/ERG so is a sop to their priorities to keep them behaving whilst Sunak leads. Not saying I agree with her appointment, she should be gone, but that’s why she’s there, I’m not sure that’s fishy.
I’ve yet to hear a good explanation of why Williamson was there, other than ‘he knows too much’. What though?

It is fishy because the ERG is a secret society, with aims which are not declared, about from being anti EU. They are wagging the dog with a dangerous tail. So we know why she was re-appointed, to satisfy them. But we don't know what pressure was applied and how. What is truly fishy is that such a secret society pulls the strings and rings the bells. Fishy on speed!

Blossoming

I’m waiting for him to tell us where the bodies are buried.

Me too, Blossoming

Good riddance. Braverman next?

Interesting point Maisie D which makes me think that Uk political organisation is so ‘last century’ ….

Civil servants in particular are professionals with detailed, in- depth knowledge of specific areas. They know what the issues are in delivering public services, so if a minister comes along and says he/she wants to do something which is unworkable, it's the civil servants' duty to point out the issues. Politicians sometimes over-promise to win votes without considering practicalities and resourcing. They then land the problem with civil servants who can't work miracles.

That was very much the gist of one of my first politics lectures at uni. The theme was, iirc, Where does power lie in government? The lecturer had a particular interest in minister/civil servant relationships as he'd been a researcher on the Fulton Report in the 1960s.

He did point out that there could be tension between a minister and their civil servants when a minister encounters unpalatable advice on the practicalities of their policy initiatives.. (Not that that in any way justifies ministerial bullying)

PS. Williamson might still have some supporters, but I bet none of them are involved in education. He made an absolute pig's ear of his brief.

Of course, some MPs are given ministries in which they have very little interest or knowledge about. It's possible that the Williamson/Dfe pairing was one of those situations....