“Scottish government loses indyref2 court case”

Thank you Calli 😊

Honestly volver my joke did reflect the fact that it’s being reported in the press that Indyref2 is losing ground. Many are saying the whole idea is a busted flush as less voters are keen than anticipated to vote for it.

I’m sorry but I do have to wonder if that’s the real reason why you are so cross?

I’ve been perfectly respectful all along on this topic as you well know. My tongue in cheek joke was merely a reflection of findings in recent polls.

Anyway I’m very sorry if I hurt your feelings. Truly.
No disrespect was intended.

volver I am not against Scotland or it’s population. Never would consider Scotland as a minnow (your words)

I wouldn’t want to see Scotland depart from the Union, totally accept that it’s their/your decision.

Not a fan of divisional politics, unfortunately it appears to be the norm now across the globe.

Callistemon21

Riverwalk

Boz

I am getting really bored with NS. Has she got nothing else to do but pursue this Nationalistic Agenda?

She's the leader of the Scottish National Party - what else do you want her to do? That's her job!

She's First Minister of Scotland.

I'm sure her agenda includes a lot more than Scottish Independence.

How about getting her Teacher's strikes sorted out? Her N.HS. and the Drug problem in Scotland. She is not just the SNP leader she has another job to do looking after the country she wants Independence for.
The leader in the Times yesterday was very interesting.
That's why I think Scotland should have Independence and see what happens when they have to cope alone.
Send the nuclear Fastlane defence to Barrow, no Scottish regiments left all amalgamated into others.
With Putin probably loose in the North sea after he has got his icebreakers to work, Archangel will be a Viable Naval port again in Winter.
Lots of problems other than keeping herself in the headlines and on the cover of Vogue.

Oops - to answer your delayed post then

When a group is in a position of power, it's easy to laugh when the people you think are minnows poke fun at you. Not so easy the other way round, though.

As for Scots laughing at themselves, I give you in evidence, Billy Connolly.

I disagree with that, except in certain situations GG13. Some Scottish people are fixated on blaming the English - or more accurately, Westminster. And for instance, some English people think Albanians are the devil's spawn.

Neither of those groups are representative of the nation as a whole, I believe. But I also believe that many people north and south of the border don't really accept that Scotland is a separate and individual nation, and that colours their attitude to independence.

Oops premature posting.

Perhaps it’s because softy southerners can laugh at ourselves and the government and do not take ourselves so seriously.

Anything appertaining to Scotland / SNP always brings post brimming with vitriol directed at all south of the border

Like I said, I'm not policing anybody's idea of fun.

Just be aware of what it gives away about you. (General you, not you specifically)

Many people think its perfectly OK to make fun of some Scottish people and their belief in independence, and that's OK

I do understand, of course.
It's just like many people thinking it's ok to make fun of Urmstongran and her political thoughts on threads.

I'm not sure why Urmstongran needs to show any respect for any particular political party, in this case the SNP.

I expect people to show respect for the inhabitants of a nation. Any nation. Scotland, England, Albania, whatever. Have a go at political parties, by all means. The people in the "funny" picture are independence supporters, not necessarily SNP voters. Grannmarie pointed that out. And yet many non-Scottish people still fail to see the difference and wish to use perceived SNP-voting as a way of poking fun at people.

Many people think its perfectly OK to make fun of some Scottish people and their belief in independence, and that's OK. Just be aware that when they are doing that, they're quite often displaying their lack of knowledge of the Scottish Political Landscape.

And the photographer would have needed a wider lens if s/he wanted to include all SNP voters. There were 1.3 million of them at the last Scottish election, 48% of the turnout. About the same as Tory, Labour and Lib Dem all added together. Best to remember that when anyone decides to try to paint independence as Sturgeon's little power trip.

Have some respect

There's not a lot of respect shown on these threads for many politicians or political parties.

I'm not sure why Urmstongran needs to show any respect for any particular political party, in this case the SNP.

Political parties and politicians seem to be fair game for many on here.

Thank you for that synopsis Paddyann54, it certainly clarifies the situation.

Urmstongran, there are many independence supporters who are not enamoured of the S.N.P. They are a means to an end. I think votes for Alba will also count towards independence.

I hope to see independence in my lifetime, and after that people will be free to vote for Scottish Labour, Scottish Tory, Scottish Liberal, Scottish Socialist, Scottish Green and Scottish Nationalist Parties. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

We live in interesting times.

Crikey. 😲

Volver

Maybe practice what you preach then. Where was your respect for our late Queen (and I will say our as you made it abundantly clear you didn’t consider her any Queen of Scots), when you described her as an old lady who looked good in hats? You even got more than a touch excited when the vile Frankie Boyle was called for the nasty piece of work he is. If you can’t take it then don’t dish it out.

No, sorry Urmstongran. I won't "lighten up" so you can have a bit of a giggle. Have some respect.

Oh lighten up volver it was only a joke!
I’d said in my first post on this thread I wished you all well, whatever was decided.
😊

paddyann54

OH and theres still uwards of a TRILLION pounds in oil and gas in Scottish waters that will be needed in some form in the next 50 years

Umm quite a lot of that is around the Shetlands, isn’t it?

Who also want independence. How much is left when they leave Scotland?

I think the fact that people make jokes like that helps to explain a bit of the hatred, Maybee70.

Well done to the photographer who managed to fit all the SNP voters into this one picture.

paddyann. Fair enough. But why so much hatred ?

paddyann54 knowing you’re fervently pro independence, can you say how you think the Scots who don’t want it will be won round if it happens, as they are a significant proportion of the population - or will it rumble on for many years with a varying proportion of the population still dissatisfied?

OH and theres still uwards of a TRILLION pounds in oil and gas in Scottish waters that will be needed in some form in the next 50 years

Maybee Scotland gets the Barnetformula which is @ 55% of the money we send to WM .We are expected to pay for everything we need from it and WM spends the rest on things like Trident..Scotland pays a higher amount than any other UK country..we also pay a % of all Englands vanity projects HS2 ,Boris' garden Bridge ,the London crosssrail and London sewers etc etc etc.
Our income is used in ways the Scottish public want...we voted a government that is left wing so we MITIGATE the cost of tory policies to the tune of 600 Million a year
We provide Free Uni tuition,Free prescriptions( it costs more to administer a system that pays for them) free eye checks and freedental care for everyone under 25 ,free dental checks for everyone ,becauseis better to catch problems early and saves on costs ,free personal care for the disabled and the elderly.
There are bus passes at 60,free bus travel for everyone under 22 .keeps the busses on the road and a lot of old bangers off it while saving young folk on low wages high travel costs or young people travelling to College or uni.
NO hospital car park fees apart froma couple of PFI funded(by labour) which are to be bought out .
1140 hours of childcare for all 3 and 4 year olds and some 2 year olds .
£25 A week FOR FAMILIES on benefits ..even in work benefits for children 16 and under
We have MORE GP's per head of population
More nurses who are better paid and get bursaries for training of £10K a year
More Dentist s
More police and a crime rate thats at a 40 YEAR low
I'm sure I've missed some ,but thats all done on our FIXED budget as well as the New roads, Bridges and investment in renewables ..which we PAY to have put on your National griD...half a billion a year while all other suppliers GET PAID and then WM charges US more to supply it back its really not a fair system
Wm doesn't want us to go because it SCOTTISH money that pays the interest on YOUR National debt ...that as a seceding nation we dont have to take..bt we do OWN 8-10% OF EVERYTHING in the UK.Scotland is the ONLY part of the UK that exports more than it imports so our balance of payments is in a better place
Do you wonder WHY we'd rather run our own affairs when we obviously do things very differently,more compassionately and just better than the tories who we haven't voted for in any numbers,recent figures are at 6% with tory MP's ALL set to lose their seats at the next election.
All we need is an election NOW and we will gain our Independence ,now theyve decided we're a colony theres nothing to stop us

MayBee70

Can someone explain to me if Scotland has to abide by British law why do people in Scotland not have to pay for prescriptions, university tuition fees, social care? I saw my first independence supporting flag today. It made me feel sad, to be honest. I wondered if all of that persons neighbours wanted independence and what divisions it was causing.

Because those decisions, amongst many others, are devolved.

Can someone explain to me if Scotland has to abide by British law why do people in Scotland not have to pay for prescriptions, university tuition fees, social care? I saw my first independence supporting flag today. It made me feel sad, to be honest. I wondered if all of that persons neighbours wanted independence and what divisions it was causing.