Buckingham Palace Aide resigns

This is getting like a who-dunnit spoof (with a bunch of Inspector Clouseau detectives!

Aha! So she was wearing a wig and there was a lot of hot air about which blew her false curls over her name badge which led Lady H to ask her in all innocence where she really came from. It all makes sense to me now.

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MerylStreep

GagaJo
I’d like a uk when my Grandson is safe. He’s not, because he wears the right trainers, jacket, has the right phone and watch.
Can’t hang out in his local park where it’s so dangerous that the police tell parents to keep their children away.
It’s not all about colour.

I can confirm that this is 100% correct, I have two teenage GS’s who live in your area MerylStreep they are not allowed to hangout in the parks, not allowed to go into town.

The gangs come down from London looking for fun (trouble) so much so that the local police have got mobile knife arches.

Mollygo

GagaJo
Let's make it even clearer. White people are already very wary of engaging with people of colour because of cries of racism. It can end up in a life or death situation.

Yes, because white people's hurt feelings are much more important that facing police violence or other forms of institutionalised violent racism.

Hammer it home a little more why don't you?

I thought the hair looked like a wig.
In which case, did it matter that it was moved?
There seems to be a lot of hot air about!

MerylStreep

GagaJo
I’d like a uk when my Grandson is safe. He’s not, because he wears the right trainers, jacket, has the right phone and watch.
Can’t hang out in his local park where it’s so dangerous that the police tell parents to keep their children away.
It’s not all about colour.

No, but a lot of it is. Black boys are far more at risk.

I am off to cast my pearls elsewhere.

Oreo

What 25Avalon said was why not a name tag with your name and that of the organisation that you represent.
Instead of just a name tag.
Of course if you then choose to cover it up with a long hair do so that it can’t be read at all, then it wouldn’t help matters.

Aha! So covering up the name badge was part of the cleverly conceived plot?

Curiouser and curiouser!

This is getting like a who-dunnit spoof (with a bunch of Inspector Clouseau detectives!

It’s immaterial if she had her organisation name on her badge or not tbh. What’s material is that the aides had no idea who she or anyone else was. If the badges don’t have the organisation’s name on it would be helpful if they did and if they do then the event organisers should do a little homework.

Mollygo

GagaJo
Let's make it even clearer. White people are already very wary of engaging with people of colour because of cries of racism. It can end up in a life or death situation.

Good grief! Paranoia has reached new heights!

How absolutely ridiculous!

GrannyGravy13

Lady Hussey is a member of St.Agnes Church, Kennington a regular worshipper. The congregation is apparently 90% people of colour.

There are members of the congregation defending allegations of racism made in relation to Lady Hussey.

I like to hear all sides of a story before making a decision.

Which highlights again that within her context she is a kind, generous person who gives of her time and is comfortable with people from many backgrounds. Which has little to do with the much deeper and wider issue of unconscious assumptions, attitudes that are demonstrated in a wider context of this event!

People of colour who know her and they have probably provided mutual kindnesses to each other will ofcourse quite rightly point out a perspective of her and her motivations. I expect they are right, they know her.

But it still doesn't mean that the causes of this situation arising for both Lady Hussey and Ngozi Fulani should be ignored. This is an opportunity, let's hope it is taken up!!

GagaJo
I’d like a uk when my Grandson is safe. He’s not, because he wears the right trainers, jacket, has the right phone and watch.
Can’t hang out in his local park where it’s so dangerous that the police tell parents to keep their children away.
It’s not all about colour.

25Avalon

MaizieD I have not suggested that “she got into this function under false pretences”. How did she get in if she was not on the approved list? There must surely be a list or any Tom, Dick or Harry or terrorist could get in. What I am questioning is the organisation of this event.

OK, other people have floated the 'false pretences' idea.

Now, please, tell me how you know just what was on that name badge.

If it did only have her name on it I'll agree with you.

It's the process of change and how we carry people with us that is something we need to manage, or we will just have another culture war.

Very true

MaizieD I have not suggested that “she got into this function under false pretences”. How did she get in if she was not on the approved list? There must surely be a list or any Tom, Dick or Harry or terrorist could get in. What I am questioning is the organisation of this event.

Lady Hussey is a member of St.Agnes Church, Kennington a regular worshipper. The congregation is apparently 90% people of colour.

There are members of the congregation defending allegations of racism made in relation to Lady Hussey.

I like to hear all sides of a story before making a decision.

25Avalon

Surely the palace should know who is invited and which organisation they are from? Then they can do their homework as to appropriate questions to ask that person? I have never been to a high powered secure meeting without needing approval in advance, before I could gain entry, if I had a different name from on the invited list. Suppose you were a terrorist, is it that easy to get in? Just jump off the racist bandwagon for the moment and consider the security elements.

I'm not on any racist bandwagon. I'm just asking if what you are apparently claiming, that she got into this function under false pretences and that the name tags held no information apart from a name, is factual.

DaisyAnne

I know tickingbird. But when I start replying in kind, I find typing a longer post grounds me again.

To be honest I don't think many people will read anything that is more than a paragraph (thank you for doing so) or that doesn't attack the Royals. After all that is really what this thread is about, isn't it But you have given me the chance to repeat this little bit:

As far as I can see, there are two problems:

1) There is racism in the UK
2) We are in a process of change

It's the process of change and how we carry people with us that is something we need to manage, or we will just have another culture war. Sadly, of course, that is what some people want.

I agree with this.

I can't speak for others but I'd just like a UK that my DGS can be safe in as a person of colour.

Oreo we don't know ofcourse! Buy that doesn't have a lot to do with whether moving someone's hair off their badge on their chest is an appropriate way to deal with the (inadvertently or deliberately created) problem!

Surely the palace should know who is invited and which organisation they are from? Then they can do their homework as to appropriate questions to ask that person? I have never been to a high powered secure meeting without needing approval in advance, before I could gain entry, if I had a different name from on the invited list. Suppose you were a terrorist, is it that easy to get in? Just jump off the racist bandwagon for the moment and consider the security elements.

25Avalon

My point was not just that a tag with the organisation’s name on it would be helpful. Let’s be clear. That’s up to the Palace to organise. BUT what about security?

Do you actually know for a fact just what was on the name tag?

Because unless you do, this is just a red herring.

What about security?

DaisyAnn interesting post. On this thread I am finding it interesting the lack of responses to reasoned explanations etc. Its a pity as reasoned discussions on the issues appear to have got a bit lost!

My point was not just that a tag with the organisation’s name on it would be helpful. Let’s be clear. That’s up to the Palace to organise. BUT what about security?

HurdyGurdy

Susan Hussey was incredibly rude, and didn't "sense the tone" when Ngozi Fulani clearly didn't want to be drawn on her background. Susan Hussey should have moved on, either to another subject, or to another person.

I have seen this posted on a friend's Facebook page, and whilst I do not know if it is correct, (presumably if anyone wanted to, they could verify the statements made in relation to the charity) it may go some way to explaining Ngozi Fulani's reluctance to be questioned on her background.

presumably if anyone wanted to, they could verify the statements made in relation to the charity

Somebody did. Upthread. Or on the other thread, I've lost track.

But that's obviously no reason to stop spreading lies about people, if it suits you.