Racism as a factor in violence against females

That's an excellent point Jackiest, peer pressure can be extremely influential.

The men that are violent probably won't listen to women but may listen to men so we really need to get men on our side and not allinate them by treating all men as if they are a danger or by discriminating against them.

A lot if violence is from within a relationship. A lot of cultures tolerate violence towards women, only through education will the victims find the courage to leave.

Jackiest

Discrimination race, gendar, colour are all basically an us and them attitude to people where "us" matter and "them" don't and "them" can be exploited and abused. So it is not surprising that there is connection between raceism and sexism. All forms of discrimination needs to be stopped no matter how small or what direction it is in.

Yup

We won't end violence against women until we end all forms of violence.

This means women taking responsibility for how we talk about race as well as other minority groups

Perhaps because it is often in the interests of authority than men should be violent, if they are needed to fight wars.

I couldn't agree more, doodledog that enforced medication is basically unacceptable. Nonetheless, it seems logical and reasonable that the vast majority of violent men do know that what they are doing is wrong and harmful, even lethal. Therefore, why would they refuse help to address their problem and protect victims? To suggest otherwise is insulting towards most men. And just because some people might refuse treatment, does that mean it should not be offered if effective?

Discrimination race, gendar, colour are all basically an us and them attitude to people where "us" matter and "them" don't and "them" can be exploited and abused. So it is not surprising that there is connection between raceism and sexism. All forms of discrimination needs to be stopped no matter how small or what direction it is in.

The ends don't always justify the means, though. Maybe in this case they might; but we can't really allow forced medication of unwilling people. Particularly if they have yet to offend.

Hi Doodledog, of course medicating against people's will is an ethical issue. However, under the Mental Health Act, there are allowances for this under some circumstances. Also, it is very serious if violent people, mostly men, are not aware they have problems or see their behaviour as normal or caused by others, as you suggest. This does not seem logical or reasonable to me. I ask myself why there is not more public focus on understanding and tackling the problems that some men have leading to criminal behaviour including rape and murder.

How many of the 'Rotherham' girls were non-white? None. Their abusers kept away from 'their' community and went for 'white trash'. They and their parents were further abused by a system that claimed they deserved what happened.

I suppose because women getting HRT etc are aware that they have problems, and are seeking help, whereas violent men might see their behaviour as normal, or caused by the women in their lives. There are real ethical issues with medicating people against their will, so unless someone went to a doctor and asked for hormone treatment (which many would see as chemical castration) it's unlikely to happen.

Hi, I have noticed that women are prescribed hormone treatment to address problems with for menopause, PMS, for example. This is overwhelmingly NOT because they are at risk of murdering or raping other people. So how does it happen that male violence against women, including rape and murder, is not addressed with hormonal treatment?

If you had been raped you would think very,very hard before seeking police help. You would have to go through it all again in court . Just not what you would ever want to do. Then there is the possibility of the rapist hiring an expensive lawyer and getting off scot free. No, definitely something you would think twice about.

I agree. Misogyny is at the bottom of VAWAG, and whereas someone who thinks like that and ‘backs up’ his thinking with violence is quite likely to also be racist and homophobic, one of those prejudices doesn’t drive the others. They are all borne of a mindset that despises difference, sees straight white men as ‘naturally’ superior and thinks that violence is the way to deal with frustration or insubordination.

No, I don't think racism is a factor at all. It all boils down to the general attitude of so many men towards women. They seem to blame us for all their problems.
Of course, some will bring racism into everything, it's become an obsession with many.

Spot on I am around

"Boys will be boys" - how many times have we heard it?

And before anyone tells me that these things aren't acceptable in society, we'll they are. Not by everyone, but apologists exist out there. We saw that this week.

*When people are advised:
"Women want the abuse to stop but we know what happens to black men in police custody. These women do not want to risk their abusers being hurt or murdered.”

Ah that is what I saw, eazybee that I referred to up thread. Where did that come from, I just can't remember?

Until we dismantle what is considered acceptable in society, including racism, misogyny, sexism, agism, etc. Violence against women will not be solved.

We can look at violence against women and wonder how to fix it, but unless we acknowledge that root cause of violence in general, things won't change.

The only way to bring awareness to it is to call it out in the spot and create a discussion in the wider sense.

Unfortunately, when large portions of a society makes excuses for bad behavior, intended or not, there will be no lasting change.

Eliminating racism would eliminate fear of coming forward due to racism as well as eliminating bad experiences for those coming forward to report abuse

Great post, vs

In the us there is an understandably rejection of police presence by minorities
Coupled with what M0nica said- women are not believed when reporting a crime, puts the women at a disadvantage

Do you think their lack of confidence in what the police could do is because the police are racist?

Yes, I do - not all of them, by any means, but I've known enough police officers (and retired police officers) to know that there is, at the very least, casual racism.

However, it's probably more important that people from some ethnic backgrounds perceive the police to be racist. That's not surprising when people can see for themselves how the some police officers treat some black people.

I once taught in a school with very few black pupils, but if ever a group was just "hanging about", maybe looking a bit menacing, there was one black pupil who was always asked for ID and to empty his pockets, etc. He was completely harmless, but his black face meant he stood out from the crowd. Other pupils were outraged and I'm afraid an unhealthy view of the police developed.

I don't think racism is a factor in violence against women. In war crimes it is used to violate the enemy; in domestic situations it is frequently perpetrated against someone in a relationship, no matter of what race; in random acts it seems to be any female who is alone, unprotected and vulnerable.

Rape was used in Ruanda, in Germany by the Russians, in Ukraine now, as a weapon of terror and revenge, and always has been. I think it is established that domestic rape and violence has little to do with sex, far more with power and punishment. The problem is violence against women.
When people are advised:
"Women want the abuse to stop but we know what happens to black men in police custody. These women do not want to risk their abusers being hurt or murdered.”
It is difficult to tackle the problem.

I think something has been confused from the other threads.

Black and ethnic minority groups of natal females face specific issues and need tailored support when in/out of a domestically abusive and/or violent situation. As do white women who may have other issues that require specific professional input too. None of this is excludes each other group.

Presumably, either black men are treated more leniently if arrested or fewer black women report domestic violence, possibly because they do not expect the police to do anything about it and to not believe them

I can't remember where I saw it but in the last couple of days I read that women of colour are less likely to report their partners for DV because they fear that their partner will be harmed by the police if arrested.

I'll see if I can find the link/article and if I do I will post it.