Eddie Izzard not chosen to be Labour candidate for Sheffield Central.

Only had time to read the first link but it makes, I think, an important point. This issue of protecting women's rights is being framed as left versus right and that is not how it is.
People will vote for KJK because of this one issue and she will stand against the Labour party and take votes away from them.
The right wing are using women for their own ends. The left must find a way to counteract this or we will just end up with another right wing Government and this country just cannot afford that.

Actually that's not a bad article Glorianny it talks about how feminists are faced by trans activists screaming 'facist' in the face of left wing feminists and the right stirring the pot on the other side. Jokers on the left jokers on the right and here we are stuck in the middle.

I support female rights especially when they conflict with TW rights. If you support male rights before those of females . . .

Do you agree with the statements made by India Willoughby on race, on lesbians? I dont expect you do. Do you agree with the fact that within the tavistock the whistleblowers said some transitions were driven by homophobia. Conversion therapy in other words. Not particularly a left wing belief.

And for repealing Gillick
www.workersliberty.org/story/2022-09-13/collaboration-between-transphobic-feminists-and-far-right-some-facts

thecritic.co.uk/men-of-the-far-right-and-the-womens-movement/

BeverleyJB

Glorianny

grannydarkhair

If it happens, and I have no doubt it will, at least you’d know if you voted for KJK that you’d voted for someone who actually believes what she says and isn’t just following the party line.
I still chuckle when I think of “I’m not a vet, but I know what a dog is”.

Yes you'd be voting for someone who likes and supports Tommy Robinson, who wants to see Gillick competence abolished, who has attended events and been photographed with holocaust deniers. Not to mention condemning the hijab. She has links with the Christian far right movement in the US and thought Trump was a better bet than Biden, because he "knows what a woman is" (someone you grab by the pussy if I remember rightly)
Honestly if she's an example of the gender critical God help women.

Would love to see your evidence for those accusations Glorianny….

Even Jean Hatchet- a gender critical feminist to the core-acknowledges that the movement is being taken over by right wing extremists. And much as I disagree with her views I dislike the extremism now being projected by both sides.https://thecritic.co.uk/men-of-the-far-right-and-the-womens-movement/

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Pause for thought.

I dont know that KJK is gender critical, she may classify herself as that I dont know but she certainly didnt see herself as a feminist. I dont agree with many of posies actions but I dont agree with India Willoughby who has been racist, mocked gay women for not being feminine enough, etc etc.
I dont like Trump but if he said the earth was round I would agree with him.

I feel that the issue of women's safety is being co opted by right wingers like KJK. And that is very worrying.

Glorianny

grannydarkhair

If it happens, and I have no doubt it will, at least you’d know if you voted for KJK that you’d voted for someone who actually believes what she says and isn’t just following the party line.
I still chuckle when I think of “I’m not a vet, but I know what a dog is”.

Yes you'd be voting for someone who likes and supports Tommy Robinson, who wants to see Gillick competence abolished, who has attended events and been photographed with holocaust deniers. Not to mention condemning the hijab. She has links with the Christian far right movement in the US and thought Trump was a better bet than Biden, because he "knows what a woman is" (someone you grab by the pussy if I remember rightly)
Honestly if she's an example of the gender critical God help women.

Would love to see your evidence for those accusations Glorianny….

One person can't possibly act as an example of millions of others. God help us if people really believe that.

Here is someone who wants to have someone imprisoned (potentially for up to 25 years) for 'misgendering', which she did simply by saying that a male person on a list of the BBC's 'most inspiring and influential women' was incongruous.

Hilton (the one who wants to have the so-called 'misgendered' jailed) also wants to sue feminists when they are in jail, and have their seized assets given to transwomen.

Can you read this and say that reality-based feminists' fears of men exploiting female lists are unfounded? Can you still say that there are no men who will claim female status so that they can destroy us from within? That there are not misogynists in the trans community, and that until ways are found to ensure that they cannot corrupt the cause to further their women-hating aims there need to be curbs on their inclusion into women's spaces, including female competitions and lists.

How can you read that, or the stories of a 'woman' impregnating a child after pretending to her family that 'she' is a friend (upthread) and say that you support the men in these cases but are a feminist? It makes no sense to me.

And yes, I know that these cases are unusual, which is why they are in the media, but surely ways should be found to prevent the possibility of their happening before men are given unfettered access to our spaces, shortlists, competitions and awards? And yes, I know that the issue is complex and easy answers are not easy to find, but shouldn't the solutions be found by the people wanting the changes, rather than women being told that it's too bad if we don't like it, and we should find ways to accommodate them, and if we don't, we should be vilified, mocked, patronised and in extreme cases imprisoned and stripped of our financial assets?

For those who don't like embedded links, the source is here:
reduxx.info/bbcs-top-100-women-list-honors-trans-politician-attempting-to-have-a-feminist-imprisoned-for-misgendering-him/

grannydarkhair

If it happens, and I have no doubt it will, at least you’d know if you voted for KJK that you’d voted for someone who actually believes what she says and isn’t just following the party line.
I still chuckle when I think of “I’m not a vet, but I know what a dog is”.

Yes you'd be voting for someone who likes and supports Tommy Robinson, who wants to see Gillick competence abolished, who has attended events and been photographed with holocaust deniers. Not to mention condemning the hijab. She has links with the Christian far right movement in the US and thought Trump was a better bet than Biden, because he "knows what a woman is" (someone you grab by the pussy if I remember rightly)
Honestly if she's an example of the gender critical God help women.

If it happens, and I have no doubt it will, at least you’d know if you voted for KJK that you’d voted for someone who actually believes what she says and isn’t just following the party line.
I still chuckle when I think of “I’m not a vet, but I know what a dog is”.

That's an excellent little video from KJK (2 mins).

Kellie-Jay Keen is going to launch a new political party.

twitter.com/standingforxx/status/1600235830475653123?s=61&t=wZvZRIfIqBkkL1Ut6RLHCw

Glorianny

Eddie Izzard has a track record of activism and support for the Labour Party. Hopefully she will continue to support and campaign for them. What some of the comments on this thread reveal is how biased some people are and how they can ignore not only a successful comedy and acting career but a life of activism and fundraising simply because they don't like someone's choice of gender.

Choice of gender? Dear lord. Trouble with Eddie Izzard is that he's a woman when it suits him and also a man when it suits him professionally. Womanhood isn't about dress-up or putting on heels or (and I find this nauseating in a man pushing sixty) deciding when he's in 'girl mode'. I liked him well enough when he was an honest cross-dresser, which is a fine enough choice but as a 'woman'? No. He simply isn't.

You can't cope with more that one point per post volver?

Yes, people are making things up about Izzard to paint him in a bad light but I don't agree with this thing he said and ...

Oh look over here! Look over here!!

Its true that Izzard wasn't on an all-women shortlist and Labour may not be using them at all, at present.
However, he gives his reason for never being on one as "I'm gender-fluid" not the much more obvious "Male people shouldn't push their way into things intended for female people."

From the Guardian interview :
"Izzard said she had suffered a “torrent of transphobic abuse” since announcing her candidacy, including being photographed by a gender-critical feminist using the women’s toilet."


He was photographed coming out of the toilet into a public hall where a number of people were waiting for a meeting to start- he was not photographed actually using a toilet!

I do wonder why he went to that toilet at all - surely there were backstage facilities.
It almost seems he wanted to draw attention to himself.

He’s doing a sterling job. The Conservatives are going to need all the help they can get.

Any abuse, should be punished. I don’t know ant trans people but if I did I would treat them the same as anyone., if they have a penis use the Mens facilities, not the ladies, I would not like to bump into Eddie coming out of a cubicle. It’s weird anyone wanting to do that in the first place. Those that think it’s ok would they use the Mens?, I think not, but let them try it for a few weeks and see the response,,

GreyhairedWarrior

I don't care about Eddie Izzard's choice of gender. I do care about their self-identification onto a woman-only shortlist. We can do without that kind of colonisation.

Now maybe it's just me, but...

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-drops-use-of-all-women-shortlists-general-election-legal-advice-unlawful_uk_622226fbe4b03bc49a9a2420

www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/oct/27/eddie-izzard-rules-out-appearing-on-all-women-labour-mp-shortlist

In that case I've completely lost the plot!

FarNorth

^I'm afraid it reminds me rather grimly of some of the things said about gay people, men in particular, in the early 1970's when those were the issues that divided people and such hate and disturbance came out.^

The difference is, those things were based on prejudice whereas our concerns are based on known facts about abusive men.

Yes! So much this.