Eddie Izzard not chosen to be Labour candidate for Sheffield Central.

GagaJo

And another trans bashing thread.

Could we not just talk about the politics of it?

Feel the same as GagaJo yet another bashing thread in the end despite to O/P being specifically about a constituency in my area.

People here don't seem to get it after extensive discussions on past thread, just use it for "yet another trans thread".

Izzard was NEVER going to win we had two great local candidates here.

snowberryZ

GagaJo

And another trans bashing thread.

Could we not just talk about the politics of it?

Are you a Transwoman GagaJo?
Genuine question,
Ive noticed you seem to get very defensive when this particular topic rears its head. (nderstandable I suppose) if you are.
So I have wondered.

A couple of weeks ago somebody on a trans thread said that she has always thought I was a woman but she was beginning to doubt it because of some of the views I held.

And this movement is meant to be supporting women and looking after their rights, is it?

So. GagaJo's turn now.

The people have chosen, it’s up to them. For the best.

Where's the trans bashing GagaJo?

Would you support males entering female spaces if they are retitled that Glorianny?

Questions to which we are unlikely to get answers.

GagaJo

And another trans bashing thread.

Could we not just talk about the politics of it?

Are you a Transwoman GagaJo?
Genuine question,
Ive noticed you seem to get very defensive when this particular topic rears its head. (nderstandable I suppose) if you are.
So I have wondered.

Where's the trans bashing GagaJo?

And another trans bashing thread.

Could we not just talk about the politics of it?

To me, Glorianny, it reads as 'Here is a known risk. Let's not invite another similar risk'

For example, 'We know that cars can be dangerous to pedestrians. Let's not decide to allow some cars to drive in pedestrian areas, just because their drivers really want to.'

I didn't suggest taking attention away from the original problem, just not creating another one as well.

So tell me Glorianny, if we establish that facilities will be known as male and female, would you still support males using female safe spaces?

I note through all your posts, that you avoid using female, preferring to use the now corrupted word ‘woman’, to back up your support for all TW, harmful or not, but how far would your support of male liars actually go?

Glorianny Not going to address Eddie thinking wearing high heels and a dress makes him a woman, who can revert to a man by changing the dress and wearing flat shoes?

FarNorth

^The number of people having genital surgery is very small. Most transwomen retain their original genitalia, for a number of reasons. Are we now to examine transwomen to assertain what treatment they have had?^

You are absolutely right Glorianny.
That fact shows that it doesn't make sense to accept 'real transwomen' into women-only places as if they are actually women, since most will have male genitalia and it's impossible to know, in any case, how real anyone's trans identity is.

You have drawn attention, elsewhere, to the high level of violence to women which is committed by their male partners i.e. trusted male people.
It doesn't make sense, therefore, to extend further trust to male strangers just because they claim to be transwomen.

Sorry FarNorth your post reads to me like someone saying the bloke you are living with is most likely to abuse you, but rather than address that and discover why and how women get into such relationships I'm going to draw attention to another person and claim they might be a threat to you, although there is very little evidence to show that.
It's a bit like claiming you have to watch the netball match in the next yard, although you 're playing tennis, because the ball might come onto the court. Maybe it will but that won't help you win the tennis match.

The number of people having genital surgery is very small. Most transwomen retain their original genitalia, for a number of reasons. Are we now to examine transwomen to assertain what treatment they have had?

You are absolutely right Glorianny.
That fact shows that it doesn't make sense to accept 'real transwomen' into women-only places as if they are actually women, since most will have male genitalia and it's impossible to know, in any case, how real anyone's trans identity is.

You have drawn attention, elsewhere, to the high level of violence to women which is committed by their male partners i.e. trusted male people.
It doesn't make sense, therefore, to extend further trust to male strangers just because they claim to be transwomen.

Izzard was the only candidate on the shortlist not to live in Sheffield, though she insisted she was better placed to represent the constituency than a “supercharged local councillor”, because “their activism has been local and my activism has been national and international” from the Guardian.

a supercharged local councillor 😲
How rude!

Nothing like bigging yourself up

Smileless2012

^for one thing you find disagreeable about them^ well if the one thing was his 'gender fluidity' the issue I have with that is that he's constantly 'changing' his identity; a man one day and a 'woman' the next, and what constitutes this 'change' is based on the clothes he wears.

There's more than one though isn't there. An intact male accessing female safe spaces is another.

This happened to me the other day. There was an intact male in the public loo in the theatre with his ‘minder’. She had an ID tag round her neck and he was special needs.
Thank goodness I recognised that almost immediately.
Life’s a bit of a minefield at the moment.

Izzard was the only candidate on the shortlist not to live in Sheffield, though she insisted she was better placed to represent the constituency than a “supercharged local councillor”, because “their activism has been local and my activism has been national and international”. from the Guardian.

Congratulate the winning candidate, but then the put down, Eddie certainly retains an ego no denying that! I suppose that's why he feels able to go where he wants, depending on the whim of the day, with no concern for anybody else or their comfort.

Some women will be disturbed……is one too many!
No woman should ever feel disturbed in the presence of any male. He is male, he can use the gents toilets where he can experience what feeling disturbed is like or in your view, is it only women who should be made to feel uncomfortable in having to allow men to feel comfortable at their expense?

Trans people are supported Glorianny but EI isn't a trans woman who has elected not to have surgery and remain in tact, he's a man who when it suits him, wears clothes associated with women and accesses their safe spaces.

^ have no doubt that some women will be disturbed by Eddie using the women's toilets Doodledog but equally a number won't.^

In the context of women's equality this is like saying 'some women want the vote but equally a number don't.'

I'm afraid that 'those who don't' look as though they're siding with their oppressors...

I'm not joining in this sorry debate; I know what I think and feel and I have no wish to share it. I just thought that rewording that statement to a different fight for women's rights was interesting...

Smileless2012

^Many women recognise trans identities^ but this isn't an example of trans identity is it. It's an example of a man deciding on a daily basis whether he's going to be a man or a 'woman'.

He's well known and easily recognised as an intact male, do you really think that any woman would be OK with an intact male using women's toilets and accessing them with minders?

But I thought that trans people were supported Smileless2012 ? The number of people having genital surgery is very small. Most transwomen retain their original genitalia, for a number of reasons. Are we now to examine transwomen to assertain what treatment they have had?

Glorianny

I believe Eddie doesn't mind what pronoun you use. I do think that castigating someone who has done a lot of good for one thing you find disagreeable about them, which actually only really affects them personally, a bit strange.
For example I would say Tony Blair did far more harm as PM and his major crime resulted in the deaths of thousands of people and left the Middle East much worse off. But I have often been told that I should recognise the good his government did. So it seems a major war crime is acceptable but.changing gender isn't.
People never cease to amaze me.

Glorianny so you find nothing at all off putting about Eddie saying that to slip from 'girl mode' to 'boy mode' he starts by taking off heels and putting on flats? The stereotypical attitude that women wear high heels and men wear flats is so outdated and performative. I can't take seriously anyone who thinks they can change their gender by changing their clothing.

I have never ever said a major war crime is acceptable, and I don't recall any other poster saying so either. Perhaps you could identify the culprits?

People who think wearing a dress or high heels turns you into a woman amaze me. Do they also think the earth is flat and climate change is a myth?

The bottom line is those eligible to vote for the candidate they wanted to stand for Labour at the next election decided very heavily in favour of Abtisam Mohamed. That she won handsomely on the first ballot is a massive endorsement, 433 votes to Eddie's 175. Are you going to criticise them for rejecting him?

Many women recognise trans identities but this isn't an example of trans identity is it. It's an example of a man deciding on a daily basis whether he's going to be a man or a 'woman'.

He's well known and easily recognised as an intact male, do you really think that any woman would be OK with an intact male using women's toilets and accessing them with minders?

Doodledog

*I believe Eddie doesn't mind what pronoun you use.*
He doesn't. So knowing that, why are you making a point by calling him 'she'?

Visiting the Ladies with minders to make sure that women wanting to use them could be warned off, and shouting at teenage girls in a different Ladies' loo is not 'only affecting him personally'. This is another example of how you only see things from the male/trans perspective and disregard the feelings of women.

I have no doubt that some women will be disturbed by Eddie using the women's toilets Doodledog but equally a number won't. So are you saying that those who take offence at something should be prioritised over those who don't ? If so where should we draw the line? Very right wing Christian evangelists don't approve of abortion, should I modify my views to take into consideration their views? Or is this something which only needs to apply when the views match yours? Many women recognise trans identities, some don't what makes one more acceptable than the other?

I believe Eddie doesn't mind what pronoun you use.
He doesn't. So knowing that, why are you making a point by calling him 'she'?

Visiting the Ladies with minders to make sure that women wanting to use them could be warned off, and shouting at teenage girls in a different Ladies' loo is not 'only affecting him personally'. This is another example of how you only see things from the male/trans perspective and disregard the feelings of women.

for one thing you find disagreeable about them well if the one thing was his 'gender fluidity' the issue I have with that is that he's constantly 'changing' his identity; a man one day and a 'woman' the next, and what constitutes this 'change' is based on the clothes he wears.

There's more than one though isn't there. An intact male accessing female safe spaces is another.

Glorianny
People never cease to amaze 🤣🤣🤣

And aa ever, you never cease to amaze me.

Your comparison

So it seems a major war crime is acceptable but changing gender isn't.

is ludicrous (though typical of your convoluted thought processes).

Has anyone on here said they approved or accepted major war crimes? Can you evidence your statement?
And once again before anyone jumps in to rattle on about me being anti-trans, IE is a male who cross-dresses. He is another of those males out to damage the lives of the majority of trans, by his behaviour, like that of TRA and some TW, focusses attention on that wrong behaviour rather than the non confrontational desire of most trans. On top of that he is disrespectful of females and he doesn’t care about that!