Rishi Sunak holds emergency talks with NHS

I'm just thinking of the promises that have been made about the NHS by this government and wondering what is the point of them meeting anyone.
There was the money we were giving to the EU
The new hospitals they would open-40 were promised
50,000 new nurses were promised www.politicshome.com/news/article/boris-johnson-promises-50000-more-nurses-as-he-launches-tory-election-manifesto
And there's Rishi having crisis talks. How on earth did that happen?

That's interesting Casdon. I found another article about various Royal births at St Mary's though they were all in the private Lindo Wing which has exclusive facilities www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a23798094/lindo-wing-st-marys-hospital-facts-photos/
One hopes they don't need emergency treatment at the present time as they would doubtless be waiting on a trolley or in A&E for hours at most NHS hospitals.

I was trying to explain the non voting to my husband who said he remembered that at the time of the election, there was no one worth voting for. I think there are many people who are completely disappointed and disillusioned with the state of the economy here and the general political situation.

I know a bit about financial markets, although not very much, and I take your point about hedge funds. Apart from revolution, which is unlikely, what else can we do but sit it out?

It’s distressing to see the harmful effects on the younger generation in terms of housing affordablity, price instability and childcare costs too. Etc

How is it that people keep suggesting re opening resources here when it's clear there are no staff?

ronib

I am allowed as a responsible citizen not to engage in the debacle of the current political system.
I am also allowed to point out that Rishi Sunak deserves a chance.

Sunak was a Treasury Minister before he became Chancellor under Johnson a post he held for 2 years. Surely during that period he had the opportunity to get to work on the state of the economy. If he couldn't persuade the other Cabinet members if what was needed, I doubt he could do it now.

He was a hedge fund manager, very different to running a county. I recently finished a book called The Fear Index by Robert Harris which is about the founder/owner of a very successful hedge fund. Algorithms were used to play the financial markets. Trades are made within seconds, by computer. It's worth reading.

Wyllow3

I'm glad the man understands a balance sheet, and feel we would have been better off if he had won the leadership contest first time round, but he simply seems to lack genuine compassion. he seems unable to grasp the levels of suffering.

It's not difficult to understand a balance sheet. Assets and liabilities on the one hand and capital and accumulated profits (or losses) on the other. It is possible to have a negative balance sheet although companies are required to explain how they continue if they are insolvent.

Ali23

Nightingale wards for discharge patients could work as a temporary measure. They were possible in the pandemic so why not now?

They were not fully utilised at the time because of insufficient staff. I'm not aware of there being an increase in staff since the pandemic?

Grantanow

It's true Casdon that the Royals would be entitled to NHS emergency treatment but I am sure, after initial treatment, a Royal would be transferred to a private hospital, provided that there were no medical reasons not to. The preferred hospital for Royals seems to have been the private King Edward VII Hospital for Officers in London. I can only find two examples of NHS treatment - one for the Countess of Wessex and once for tests for Prince Philip - but there is a very long list of private hospital treatment for Royals at www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9756835/If-Queen-royal-family-love-NHS-use-little.html
When I visited the former Royal yacht Britannia I was told by the guide that two consultant surgeons were always flown out to stay on the yacht whenever a member of the RF was aboard. I doubt that was an NHS service!
They may love the NHS but they don't much use it.

There are more Grantanow.
www.alamy.com/britans-prince-charles-leaves-cheltenham-general-hospital-august-4-2001-after-spending-the-night-recovering-from-a-fall-from-his-horse-during-a-charity-polo-match-in-cirencester-gloucestershire-yesterday-charles-a-keen-sportsman-has-been-injured-in-the-past-including-breaking-his-arm-playing-polo-more-than-10-years-ago-and-earlier-this-year-he-broke-his-arm-falling-from-his-horse-during-a-fox-hunt-in-derbyshire-central-england-image381269692.html
www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/mother-and-baby/20221107155733/sophie-wessex-birth-stories-lady-louise-james-revealed/
www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/zara-phillips-welcomes-a-baby-girl-9066943.html
I can find more I’m sure. The royals use the NHS quite frequently in reality, we just don’t always hear about it, which is understandable I guess.

It's true Casdon that the Royals would be entitled to NHS emergency treatment but I am sure, after initial treatment, a Royal would be transferred to a private hospital, provided that there were no medical reasons not to. The preferred hospital for Royals seems to have been the private King Edward VII Hospital for Officers in London. I can only find two examples of NHS treatment - one for the Countess of Wessex and once for tests for Prince Philip - but there is a very long list of private hospital treatment for Royals at www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9756835/If-Queen-royal-family-love-NHS-use-little.html
When I visited the former Royal yacht Britannia I was told by the guide that two consultant surgeons were always flown out to stay on the yacht whenever a member of the RF was aboard. I doubt that was an NHS service!
They may love the NHS but they don't much use it.

Ali23

Nightingale wards for discharge patients could work as a temporary measure. They were possible in the pandemic so why not now?

They stood empty in the pandemic as there were no staff to run them.

NannyJan53

Who has been in power for the past 13 years! I need say no more.

Don't be silly. It is ALL Corbyn's fault- every single bit of disaster.

Katie59

The NHS is failing and nothing can be done quickly because although money could be available, it’s staff and wards that are lacking, Community Care to stop bed blocking is the first priority, we simply cannot have the continual blame game LAs have to be given the money to provide proper community care, then maybe next winter will see an improvement.

Reinstating nursing bursaries will help in the future along with sensible work loads and working conditions.

Good comments.👏🏻👏🏻

HousePlantQueen

I seen to recall a certain tousled haired PM candidate promising huge changes to social care......or did I just imagine it?

I think we heard it, but perhaps it was all a dream HPQ

Like Bobby in the shower.

I seen to recall a certain tousled haired PM candidate promising huge changes to social care......or did I just imagine it?

Its way past time some serious action was needed in the NHS. One of the biggest issues in my opinion is the split between medical care ( hospitals and GPs etc)- in the NHS which comes from national funding and social care (convalescent /ongoing/community care) provided largely by the local funding presumably from cancel tax revenues. Both NHS and social care are struggling- both with staff numbers and financially.
There needs to be a properly funded aftercare support system - so that patients who need support to recover or avoid worsening health but no longer need full medical hospital care have suitable support- and hospitals can move people to this ongoing care with full confidence that convalescence and rehab can occur. As far as I see it, there needs to be residential rehab as well as non residential.
There used to be residential convalescent and rehab centres- but over the last 50? years they have closed down. Most people get better faster in their own home, but some people may not be able to be fully supported at home- so may need a 'stepping stone' placement- as there used to be. If there were 'stepping stone recovery/rehab facilities and NHS care at home, then major hospitals could free up capacity for acute care.
I think adding suitably staffed and funded capacity to 'step down care is an urgent priority.

The NHS is failing and nothing can be done quickly because although money could be available, it’s staff and wards that are lacking, Community Care to stop bed blocking is the first priority, we simply cannot have the continual blame game LAs have to be given the money to provide proper community care, then maybe next winter will see an improvement.

Reinstating nursing bursaries will help in the future along with sensible work loads and working conditions.

I am a trained social scientist

ronib

Makes a change from the shout it from the rooftops. Showbiz style government is not really very good? Maybe present government is plodding away to get us onto a better footing?

but why are you interested in how or why this or any other government are doing anything if you don't even vote? Just curious, not goady

Makes a change from the shout it from the rooftops. Showbiz style government is not really very good? Maybe present government is plodding away to get us onto a better footing?

Whitewavemark2

He reminds me of a keen school boy, but not really developed beyond that level.

He looks like a school boy who has gown out of his uniform. What is it with his trousers?

ronib

Yes it seems to be the new style of government. It might be an improvement and I hope so.

What? 😱

You mean the 'sit back and let the country collapse around you' style?

That's not new; that was Johnson''s style.

The royals certainly do use the NHS Grantanow. Only the NHS provides accident and emergency and intensive care and ,special care baby units for example. There are numerous times the NHS has had royal patients.

ronib

Yes it seems to be the new style of government. It might be an improvement and I hope so.

Do you mean keeping the Chancellor quiet is a good idea?

It's all good for the Royals - they never use the NHS (and they won't be popping in to the nearest pharmacist). And Sunak avoids saying if he has a private GP. Any guesses?

Shame. I thought you meant me.